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hey that is cool

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browsing though old posts I came across this one. WOW Piano Lady, you found an answer by the Dr. himself! Thanks!
I am glad that got cleared up.

He sounds somewhat irritated in his reply... I don't think that's necessary really. I understand that he did not mean to make a mistake.
But I also understand the need of people to be able to know where they're at. It is and remains a very bold statement. I know that I would like to hit that statement over the head of all the non-vegetarians who start about protein the moment they hear I don't eeat meat... but I know that meat eaters can be quite fanatic and THEY, certainly, would check to see if it's true that 'broccoli has more protein than steak'. And **I** don't want to be attacked, either!

Also, it does take a lot of work and mental change and investment of time etcetera to switch to a nutritarian lifestyle. I can imagine that if someone is going to invest all that effort, they want to be sure that all the numbers are correct and they are not falling for the umpteenth empty claim made by an author on food and weight...

Thanks again DS9KIE.

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On Google search and Wikipedia the protein content of broccoli per 100 calories is far less than steak.

Joel Fuhrman, M.D. There is no error or fantasy numbers in my book. People look for any silly reason to deny the reality that you have to eat healthfully to be healthy. The data we used was from a listed cut of meat with 1/4 inch fat edge, which was the way the government reported it back then when the book was written years ago, now the government analysis site and more reference works use 1/8 inch of fat around it. So the numbers can vary based on what cut of steak is used in the comparison. Individuals and commercial hamburgers do blend this fat right in and do not trim it all off, so this is not even inaccurate today. This is all just a smoke screen to attack me because some people would prefer to reject my message. If a person was impartial and a scientific thinker, they would not reject my recommendations because they found steak (with more fat trimmed) is higher in protein then was listed. The argument is not based on this one fact. The bottom line is that broccoli has plenty of protein, as does all greens, beans and seeds, and when we eat them in copious amounts we get sufficient protein. I never said your entire diet should be broccoli or other greens. And, I never make up numbers, I just report them as carefully as possible. That does not mean I can never make an inadvertent error but that would not change the message of eating high nutrient plant foods and restricting animal protein and high glycemic carbohydrates to prevent cancer.

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cool...glad you posted this

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Dr. Furhman explains the *apparent* discrepancy others mention and criticize on various blogs, about broccoli having less protein than does steak. Due diligence requires using our friend, the Google, and reading his own answer to this issue. The government figures for the steak calories have been literally trimmed down, the fat that is, since Joel wrote his book. There is no real discrepancy. Pass this info around please.

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Thank you very much for that second post! That's good information.

Re: your first post: I hear you, but the book clearly states that 'broccoli has more protein than stake'. ((Ihope you find your books! it's on page 185-186). So for a statement to be so bold I'd have expected the numbers to be correct...
Remember that the comparison was for 100 calories (not weight) of the product.

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Another aspect to consider is Dr. Fuhrman's protein requirements:
www.vegparadise.com/protein.html
Calculating Protein Requirements
Recently, studies on nitrogen balance provided more accurate ways to measure the body's protein requirements. Joel Fuhrman, M.D. in his book Eat to Live writes that an easy way to calculate your own daily protein requirement according to the U.S. RDA is to multiply 0.36 (grams) by your body weight. That translates to about 44 grams for a 120-pound woman and 54 grams for a 150-pound male. In metric terminology the RDA is 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight.

Brenda Davis, R.D., and Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D., in their book Becoming Vegan consider 0.9 grams per kilogram of body weight per day to be more ideal for vegans eating whole plant foods such as legumes, whole grains, and vegetables. Multiplying 0.45 grams by your body weight in pounds will give you the approximate protein need for your body. These figures are a little higher than actual RDA requirements but were considered necessary as a safety factor to account for reduced digestibility of whole plant foods versus more refined foods such as tofu, textured soy protein, and meat substitutes.

With this slightly higher figure a 120-pound person would need 54 grams of protein daily and a 150-pound person needs 67.5 grams. Another way to calculate your RDA for protein is to take your weight in pounds and divide by 2.2 (pounds per kilogram) to determine your weight in kilograms. Then figure 1 gram of protein for every kilogram of body weight. Those who include tofu, textured soy protein, meat substitutes, and refined grains will find 0.8 grams per kilogram of protein daily quite adequate.

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When you consider that one cup of black beans contains 42 grams of protein, one cup of kale has 2.3 grams, 4 cups of romaine lettuce has 2.4 grams, 1 ounce of almonds has 6 grams, it's easy to see that we get more than enough protein from the Eat to Live plan. In fact, too much protein can be the cause of chronic illnesses. (I really need to find my books!)
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This is a useful chart: https://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrit
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It shows that 100 calories of broccoli = 5 cups while 100 calories of steak =1.3 oz

Forgive me, I'm just getting back into the Fuhrman plan full-time and I haven't re-read his books (I have to find out who I loaned them too!) but I think his point was that when comparing volume of food, broccoli gives you a much better bang for your buck. Let's face it, 5 cups of broccoli will fill you up whereas 1.3 oz of steak is going to leave you reaching for several more ounces! And the problem with reaching for more steak is that it isn't as nutrient dense as other choices we could make.
Here is a chart that shows a nutrient comparison between broccoli, steak, and kale:
http://www.jeffnovick.com/RD/Q_%26_As/En
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It's pretty much a no brainer when you compare nutrient content of steak vs. greens. Of course, I'm not above dicing up my 1.3 ounces of steak and tossing it into a salad of romaine, red onion, mushrooms, chopped steamed broccoli, raw pumpkin seeds, avocado, garlic powder, tumeric powder, and several splashes of flavored vinegar. ;)

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Good point!
(Maybe there is a much fattier cut that meets his criteria?
Wouldn't he check his facts?)

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Thank you very much! That's very interesting, isn't it?
Someone should let him know that his information just isn't CORRECT! Persoanlly I don't really mind, but people may use it to dismiss his message and mission...

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You got me curious about this. I checked on SP, Calorie King and MyFitnessPal. There are a lot of different cuts of steak so I chose top sirloin broiled and broccoli 100 calories +/- few calories. I entered different amounts until I came up with one close to 100 calories. The steak was usually about 2 ounces per 100, broccoli was 3-1/4 cups or 10.5 ounces.

MFP: Broccoli, 101 cals = 8 g protein
CK: Broccoli 100 cals = 8.3 g protein

MFP: Beef steak sirloin lean broiled = 12 g protein in 105 cals
CK: Beef steak sirloin lean broiled = 10.2 g protein in 92 cals

Spark has so many different entries, they can be all over the place. A couple I looked at were similar to CK and MFP. The cut of meat makes a difference in protein content. Others had even more per 100 calories. Those I I looked at were all higher in protein than broccoli so it seems Dr. F is wrong. Still, brocc has quite a bit for a plant.

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So can one of you who are more familiar with the SP tracker just enter an amount of both steak and broccoli that both deliver 100 calories - and see how much protein it says is in either?

Piano Lady I will check out the articles... when I have the time, thanks for posting.

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I'm not sure on the answer...maybe it has to do with to serving size...but the broccoli still has alot of protein and its fat free...

Here is the list of protein articles I have posted (just scroll to the bottom) and i bet the answer in in one of those articles.

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No, can't be a serving size matter because I searched for an amount of 100 CALORIES.



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More of a problem for me is eating 400 grams (14 ounces) of either. I've certainly never eaten almost a pound of broccoli in one sitting.

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Oh! Good questions.
Maybe some loophole, or serving size difference?
(But it's still a good amount of protein in broccoli.)

Can't wait to see what others say!


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As a vegetarian I like to inform people that broccoli has more protein than steak. This is what dr. Furhrman says in ETL, page185-186m (Chapter 5, under the heading 'Green grass made the lion').

However today I decided to see what the tracker says. I used my Dutch tracking system.
It says that 115 calories of prepared steak have 23,5 grams of protein.
Cooked broccoli, 112 calories, has 15,2 grams of protein.

I also looked at raw steak and raw broccoli, then the amounts of protein are 22.9 vs 12 grams for 108 calories worth of steak and 112 calories of broccoli.

I also tried the sparkpeople tracker but as I'm not so familiar with American weights like oz, I am not sure my outcome is correct (if anyone feels like checking this please let me know your outcomes).
My outcome was that 400 grams of cooked broccoli has 140 calories and 10 grams of protein.
Sirloin steak, 2 oz, has 120 calories and 11 grams of protein.

HUH???

So, is Dr. Fuhrman wrong??

And how come my Dutch tracker shows a big difference in favor of steak, while the SP tracker seems to state that 100 calories of both steak and broccoli have about the same amount of protein?

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