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_JULEE_ I read your account and methods of treatment for chronic ebv. I am dealing with the same issue without the success I desire. A couple questions on your post:
1. You mention avoiding organic chocolate. Can you expand on why this is necessary. A small bite of dark chocolate in the evenings is one of the few things I have not yet sacrificed for this virus. I'd like to understand why this is necessary.
2. You describe some herbal blend concoctions. Can you provide insight where to acquire these herbs and how you prepare the concoctions?
I signed up for Spark to ask you these questions so I am not familiar with the website and how it works. I presume I will get an e-mail if you respond to my post.
Thanks in advance for your help.

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Hi Jullee,

For the Precancerous lesions in the nose:

1- Purchase RADIODINE organic iodine capsules. Take one daily by mouth with meals.
2- Empty one Radiodine capsule daily into an incense burner, mix with similar amount of Boric Acid powder, [ found at pharmacies] plus 1/2 teaspoon Seasalt fine powder.
3- Heat this salt mix on strong incense burner until it starts to smoke, then inhale the smoke through your Nostrils daily for 10 minutes if possible. Add towel around neck to capture the fumes from incense burner.
4- By the way, this mix drives the EBV virus crazy, it poisons it but these three ingredients are harmless to human cells. You will get a jump in energy about two hours later,meaning that EBV was heavily damaged and the immune system is giving you back your energy.

If you like more methods, just ask.

wish you luck,


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Hi everyone!

As Hashi/Thyroid patients, this is something you should know about. Just in case.

Once again, I have the distinct pleasure of serving you by being a warning... :)

This is not an all-encompassing missive about Epstein Barr. Frankly, I've been too tired to do as much research as I normally would. However, I feel that it is important that you know about this - I apologize for taking so long, have literally been in bed for a couple of months.

You should also know that I've been studying Herbal Medicine for some time now and while my goal of having my studies done by this time have been blown, this will get finished. My Dr. is an NMD and is in full support of my herbal studies, allowing me to incorporate herbs in my therapies when possible and observing the results obtained (or not, however it goes) with interest. I will go into some detail about the herbs I used as well as vitamins, herbs and supplements that are recommended (whether I used them or not)

Epstein Barr Virus (referred to hereafter as EBV) is a virus from the Herpes family of viruses. HHV-4, to be exact. A brief overview: HHV-1 is the virus associated with cold sores; HHV-2 is the STD; HHV-3 is Varicella Zoster (chickenpox); HHV-5 is Cytomegalovirus; HHV-6 is actually 6A-Roseolovirus and 6B-Lymphotropic virus; HHV-7 is Pityriasis Rosea; and lastly, HHV-8 is Kaposi's Sarcoma-associated.

About 96% of all people have been exposed to EBV. Some of us have the virus express itself in the form of mono during our teenage years. Most of us build an immunity to the virus, it goes dormant and and we move on. I can remember having a raging sore throat when I was a teen - between 16 and 18 years old.

Many people, however, develop Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) in the wake of EBV. It may not actually be something new - rather, the virus may still be active or may have reactivated.

What can cause EBV to reactivate? Well, having your hypothyroidism untreated or undertreated is one very big reason! That is a multi-system physiological stress. In fact, many if not most reactivations will likely be brought on by un- or undertreatment of hypothyroidism - that causes the immune system to be weakened, allowing the virus to bloom and flourish. Hypothyroidism is not the only cause for EBV reactivation, though. Having Lyme disease can facilitate reactivation of EBV. Enormous emotional stressors can allow reactivation. Emotional and physiological stressors at the same time can make room for EBV reactivation.

That being said, my own bout with reactivated EBV was brought on by a round of a fluoroquinolone antibiotics given to me in 2009 or 2010 for a UTI. The antibiotic attacked my immune system and some tendons. I was 'floxed'. My hobbled immune system allowed the EBV to flourish unchecked and the EBV encouraged candida. Even with my clean diet! Because my iodine receptors were clogged with fluoride, my body rejected any iodine taken internally. The body developed an iodine deficiency which further allowed the EBV and candida to flourish!

Viruses are smart - they're just waiting to pounce! Lucky for us, our immune systems are usually smarter. When our immune systems are overwhelmed, there are a lot of things we can do to help ourselves.

There is a series of 4 blood tests which indicates whether the virus has been present in the body, and if it is active or dormant. This is not a cheap test series, however, it is very necessary to accurately diagnose. The series I obtained included VCA IgM, VCA IgG, EBNA, Early Antigen IgG.

My VCA IgG was greater than 600 (they stopped counting at 600). It only has to be over 21.9 to be positive for reactivation. My EBNA was 212. It also only has to be over 21.9 to show positive for reactivation. My values were high enough the lab not only sent the results to my Dr., they sent a copy directly to me with my 'scary' results highlighted.

There is some speculation that the EBV most of us are exposed to in our teenage years actually pushes our immune system into causing Hashimoto's. On the flip side of that coin, there is also some speculation that the up and down Hashimoto's opens us up to EBV. I don't know what to think, but thought it was something worth mentioning.

How can you tell the difference between Adrenal Fatigue and EBV? Really, I can't tell you that it's possible to tell the difference. All I can tell you is what I experienced. I had really been doing quite fine right up to the point that my mother came to my home in July - I'd been running again, lifting weights, etc. That being said, I do see how I'd have 'waves' of tired that would come over me without much explanation - I honestly thought that I hadn't slept enough, eaten right and/or that I was overdoing. There were days when my mother would call me to her room every minute for hours on end - not joking, I'd just walk out of the room and she'd be calling me back in (she'd fall asleep for a second and think she'd been asleep for hours). It was hectic and I knew she was dying - very stressful. So you can see where I would think it was my adrenals.

I can still vividly recall the horrible sore throat which accompanied my first run-in with EBV. This time around, I had symptomatic bouts - I'd feel great for weeks or months at a time, then have a week (sometimes two) where I just needed to rest a little more - right before I took the big rest, there would be some bad symptoms which I honestly thought were my adrenals. The only symptom that kind of befuddled me was the hot flash - I would have some serious heat, but mine were very different from those described by menopause sufferers. I think these EBV hot flashes have something to do with the liver.

Symptoms of EBV reactivation: (the x is a symptom that I would have when I was symptomatic)

-- extreme fatigue from the slightest activity X
-- bodily weakness X
-- a buzzy/ speedy feeling
-- ringing in the ears X
-- slow recovery when fatigued X
-- joint or muscle pain X
-- back or abdominal pain
-- heart palpitations
-- higher heart rate X
-- chronic low-grade headaches
-- depression
-- hot flashes X
-- concentration issues X
-- worsening candida (no matter how good your diet is) X
-- heightened allergies
-- rising levels of Reverse T3 (inactive thyroid hormone) X
-- gland swelling
-- testicular pain
-- pain/discomfort under the front left rib area (spleen) X

What you can do to help yourself if you suspect a reactivation:

1. Nutrition - Let thy food be medicine and medicine be thy food. Lots of Vegetables, high quality proteins, green smoothies, garlic enhances the immune system (I took cloves with water and swallowed them whole 3x a day), and mushrooms are said to enhance the immune system. Ginger is antiviral - Ginger that has been dehydrated and powdered is good, but isn't as good as fresh ginger. Brassicas are excellent immune builders. Cook them well, though, or ferment them to keep the goitrogenic properties at bay. Avoid really good (as in Raw and organic) chocolate and cocoa powder - L-Arginine encourages EBV to bloom. I know, I know.... :)

2. Vitamins and minerals -
-- Selenium may play a role in regulating the cytokines;
-- Zinc is known to promote natural killer cells and T-Cell function;
-- C is shown to stimulate the function of white blood cells;
-- B have many benefits for the body's stress response and immune function;
-- D has been shown in many studies to be a modulator of the immune system; and
-- E inhances immunity and helps the body better utilize vitamins A & D.
-- L-Lysine

3. Monolaurin is one of the fatty acids from Coconut oil. It weakens the envelope of the virus (biofilm) and is very effective against herpes as as well as the flu virus and other viruses. Consuming straight coconut oil is an effective strategy.

4. Herbs -

-- Chinese Skullcap Root (Huang Qin) - Strong antiviral; Synergist; inhibits the NorA efflex pump, which inactivates some forms of antibiotic resistance; potently anti-inflammatory for the cytokine cascades; Side effects are rare - can cause gastric discomfort and diarrhea.

-- Isatis Tinctoria Root (Ban Lan Gen) - (Yes. Woad.) Potent antiviral components; increases immune response; moderates inflammation, good for chronic conditions

-- Houttuynia Cordata - Moderate broad-spectrum antiviral. Antibacterial; Antifungal; Anticancer; antileukemic; antimicrobial;

-- Licorice Root - Potent Synergist; Broad-spectrum antiviral - prevents viral replication. Adrenal Tonic; antibacterial, anti-inflammatory; Stimulates interferon production, enhances antibody formation and stimulates phagocytosis. Expectorant; Prevents biofilm formation.

-- Ginger - Ginger is a potent antiviral only if you're using the fresh rhizome - especially the juice of the rhizome. Ginger that has been dehydrated and powdered is good, but isn't as good as fresh ginger for working against viruses.

-- Lomatium Root - Antibacterial, antifungal, antimicrobial, antiviral; active against upper respiratory viruses and all influenza strains.

-- Cordyceps - Adrenogenic, antibacterial, anti-inflammatory; Potent immunoadaptogen; This is a much-researched medicinal mushroom that boost the body's immunity against viruses, bacteria and supportive against cancer.

-- Rhodiola - Not primarily antimicrobial, but it does have some antiviral actions; adrenal protectant, adaptogen, anticancer, endocrine tonic, immune tonic,

-- Astragalus - Stimulates immune system; use with caution in Hashimoto's as it can stimulate the inflammatory response.

-- Elderberry - As an antiviral, elder is primarily active against enveloped viruses such as EBV, influenza. Yep, elderberry syrup and lozenges enhance immune function by boosting cytokines - the proteins that act as messengers in the immune system to help regulate immune response.

-- Echinacea - Stimulates the immune system - it may be problematic for some Hashimoto's pts especially those with Th1 dominance.

-- Garlic - has been used for thousands of years - believed to be anti-fungal, anti-viral and anti-bacterial; most powerful when raw. I took whole cloves and swallowed them with water like a pill 3x a day.

-- Olive Leaf - Improves immunity. My daughter takes it (along with colostrum) when she feels a cold coming on and usually the duration is shortened - she sometimes avoids the cold altogether. It stimulates phagocytosis, which is the immune system's ability to devour viruses

-- Goldenseal (use small amounts as this plant is endangered) - this is a berberine that is antibacterial and antiviral. There are other berberines that can be used in it's place.

-- Oregano/ Oil of Oregano - Oregano is not only tasty it is an anti-germ, anti-viral, anti-bacterial and even anti-fungal. To achieve these properties, however, one needs to consume 6-8 drops of the oil for 10 days.

-- Schizandra berries - said to be highly antiviral; hepatoprotective;

-- Neem - immune-booster; antiviral

-- Green Tea - said to have broad-spectrum antiviral effects due to “polyphenolic compound catechins” content. Too much can inhibit iron absorption, so don't try to make green tea to all the work if you have EBV and are wanting to treat with herbs!

-- Black Tea - significantly increases the immune system's interferon levels.

-- Andrographis Paniculata - Stimulates immune response; antiviral; when combined with eleuthero, shortens colds;

5. Prescription Antivirals can help inhibit replication of the virus.

My protocol:

-- Antiviral Blend -- Chinese Skullcap, Isatis, Licorice Root, houttuynia, lomatium, red root, yerba santa, osha, pleurisy root - equal amounts; Tinctured 1:5, 30% water. It was very difficult for me to handle the alcohol, however, so my DH got a half dozen measuring shot glasses for me - I'd put my tinctures out in those with a little honey water and let them sit to allow the alcohol to evaporate off. Yes, the herbs can be tinctured without alcohol, but some of them won't relase all their medicine in other menstruums. 1 tsp 6x a day for 3 weeks, 1 tsp 3x a day for 1 week, 1/2 tsp 3x a day for 3 weeks, 1/2 tsp 1x a day for a week. Have made up a blend of these herbs, powdered them all and encapsulated them. This is a very potent blend and the herbs have a strong taste and smell. I now take two "00" capsules every evening. Houttuynia has a lot of melatonin in it and it knocks me out.

I'm planning to grind up another blend of everything except the Houttuynia for a 'daytime' antiviral blend.

-- Monolaurin - my Dr. didn't have any in stock when my treatment began, so I used coconut oil by the teaspoon 3-4 times a day until she could send the Lauricidin to me. Worked the Lauricidin dosage up from 1/2 teaspoon 1x a day, to 1 teaspoon 3x a day. I believe that either of these are extremely potent, the two of them together are unstoppable.

-- Immune Building Blend -- Cordyceps and Rhodiola - equal amounts; Tinctured 1:5, 30% water. 1/2 teaspoon 3x a day for 8 weeks. Have also encapsulated these powders and I still take 2/day. (I'm just not able to handle the taste or feel of alcohol right now, but if I get really sick again, you can bet I'll always go for the strongest medicine which means alcohol)

-- Ginger - I ate a LOT of ginger (seriously, Bill would go buy at least 1 pound of organic ginger at a time, then come home and help me peel and dice it). Candied my own with good local honey - saved the honey and water that I simmered the rhizome in and took it by the tablespoon for days after each batch. It is SO good and I believe it helped me so much.

-- Selenium (200mcg) 1 day, then Zinc (25mg) the next, skip the weekend, pick up where I left off. That way, I didn't get over dosed on either.

-- Sublingual vitamin B complex. Because EBV and candida had taken over my gut, the die off compromised my ability to absorb for a while. So anything I took was held in my mouth as long as possible to ensure as much absorption as possible.

-- A*Drenal adaptogenic blend (by RLC labs).

-- Black tea every morning.

-- Garlic - eating as much as I want. Took a whole clove swallowed with water 3x a day. I do still take 1 clove that way per day.

-- Spleen Support - Red Root stimulates and tones the lymphatic system; is ant-inflammatory for both the liver and spleen. Should not be used during pregnancy, with pharmaceutical coagulants or anti-coagulants. Red rood tincture is not so bad, I just seemed to be extremely sensitive to alcohol while going through this. Tincture: 1:5, 50% water; 30-90 drops 3x a day. Alternatively, 10-30 "00" capsules per day. When the virus started to die off, my spleen felt quite uncomfortable. At that time, I would take 90 drops of Red Root tincture 3 times a day and it truly helped so much. I could really feel it when I missed a dose. As the EBV virus die off slowed down, so did my need for Red Root. I haven't had to use it for a couple of weeks now.

-- Liver Support - Dandelion Root Tea and Milk Thistle tincture or capsules

-- Probiotics - Several different types and brands that, together, total 50 billion
-- Kombucha and Jun - 1-2 quarts per day (once the die off began, I very much craved kombucha and fermented, cultured foods!)
-- Kefir, Buttermilk, coconut milk yogurt - minimum 1 cup per day (but I get more)
-- Sauerkraut and other ferments - minimum 1 cup per day (I get more)

-- Iodine - Painted a 2 inch by 2 inch square of Tincture of Iodine on my body. The first day, it lasted 45 minutes. Now, a spot lasts 5 hours. My Dr. gave me a liquid iodine supplement to use sublingually (1 drop) and when that is used up, she wants to try an iodine supplement that is an encapsulation as opposed to a pressed tablet.

-- L-Lysine - 3,000mg 3x a day for 2 weeks, 2,000mg 3x a day for 2 weeks, 1,000mg 3x a day for 2 weeks, and finally 1,000mg 1x a day for 2 weeks. If I feel an outbreak coming on, my plan is to take 1,000mg 3x a day for 3 days, then taper back to 1,000mg a day for 4 days. Will see what this does.

Now, before anyone else says it, YES, I did use a shot gun approach to this. I fought this battle on many fronts at once. Yes, I am impatient. My Dr. agreed with everything in my plan EXCEPT the L-Lysine - her thoughts were that the high amounts of Lysine would throw my other Amino Acids out of whack. To counter that, I took collagen and amino acid supplements once the Lysine therapy was completed. I also used a good protein powder in my daily green smoothie (which I firmly believe kept me going as much as possible).

This knocked me down. My family really helped. They cooked, cleaned, did dishes, made sure I wasn't dead. I didn't move much. They made our Thanksgiving Dinner and our Christmas Dinner. Both days I was only good for advice and information on how to do something or how I usually do something.

After two entire months, my Dr. took me off restriction. She still wants me to nap every day, but cleared me to begin exercising lightly again.

I'd had precancerous and stage one spots in my nasopharyngeal area. I'd been using the neti pot with sea salt water and a little colloidal silver added every day. After these two months of intense treatment, the spots are mostly gone - they shrunk by more than 80% according to my Dr. I still neti regularly.

My Dr. says that I've accomplished approximately 6 months worth of healing in 2 months.

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