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1/21/13 10:32 A

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Go you!!! And that's bc you have a strong pull.

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1/21/13 9:08 A

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I really appreciate this thread about fins. I've been thinking about it for awhile.

I did a 250 set without fins today. Well, I should qualify that by saying it was more like a 100 set, then a 150 set with a rest in between. It was SLOOOOOOWWWW and I was very winded, but I did it. I'll add a couple of lengths each time I go. I really want to wean myself off the darn things, as much as I like them

Ironically, it was easier to swim 20 with paddles and a pull buoy than it was to swim 10 with nothing.

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1/20/13 3:05 P

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Sounds like a great plan! I think setting monthly goals to improve swimming was a GREAT idea! Thanks so much! My monthly goal has remained getting my butt back in the water. Slowly but surely. :D And it looks like you're approaching it with the right idea - focusing on minutes rather than yards and building those legs. :D I'm so well balanced breathing on my right and I've been impatient relearning it on the left. But I've gotta force it back in lol. Right now, I'm focusing on forcing back in 1 - going to swimming and 2 - flip turns. Bilateral breathing is next, though. Blegh.

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1/20/13 11:45 A

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Good idea Kourtney, I think after this January yardage challenge is over, I'll switch back to minutes for my goalsetting. I know I'll swim a lot slower without fins. I'll just have to take whatever time I have available and swim as far as I can in that time.

You talked about bilateral breathing someplace too... lol, we have so many threads going... I hate it too, but I'm learning it, slowly but surely. It takes a real conscious effort to make my head and shoulder and neck muscles go left instead of right LOL

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1/20/13 11:20 A

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Laurie - So you can do 200 yards w/o fins. Excellent! Keep getting rid of them gradually. It'll drive you NUTS b/c it'll affect your yardage, but it'll help your kick a lot.

There isn't a "best" way to do that, in my opinion. Maybe go with what you LIKE lol. What about adding in some kick sets without fins (like you add in puling with paddles)? Maybe for every 200 yards you swim, you force yourself to do a 50 w/o fins? Or maybe you reserve 10 minutes of every swim to be swimming without fins, taking breaks as needed?

I don't think there's a set way to get you off of them, but it does sound like a good idea to me to have your usual swimming be without fins rather than with. It'll take time, but that can be your new focus. :D

Keep us posted on how it goes, alright?!

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1/20/13 11:16 A

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Jen - I agree about having fins as a goal buy. As for types? Meh, figure that out when you get there LOL. There's a lot of debate on what's best, but I'd say go with what you LIKE, recognizing the pros and cons of each type.

One thing that I started doing last year was putting $1 in a piggy bank for every 1000 yards I swam. Now I usually swim 2500 in a practice, so you may want to switch up the money to yardage ratio. But over time, I've been earning money for fun things! Maybe you could "earn" your fins that way? My priorites changed a LOT from when I was a swimming in high school to when I added swimming back into my life 5 years (and 50 lbs) later. I know it's tempting, but try not to look back at where you were and judge where you are now. It took me a year and a half to bother with flip turns again. I still hate bilateral breathing (but force myself to do it).

"Which, trust me, I know is paltry by comparison to some people on here, but I am just tickled that I am doing that and not dying. I knew that I was far too out of shape for words when my abs hurt after my second day."

Hey! You're doing it, and that is NOT paltry! We all start somewhere and I'm so proud of you for getting started and back at it!!! And abs hurting - that means you're WORKING GO YOU!!! Instead of looking at what you're doing and comparing to others who are doing more, remember that we all started somewhere and got to where we are now. Some of the members here were petrified of swimming and now can swim a mile. Others have been swimming for years and are building up to big distance races. And you know what? We ALL are swimmers and we ALL can learn from one another. When I was starting out, it was most important for me to focus on the things I *was* doing, not the place I wanted to be. "Progress, not perfection" is a big motto of mine (thanks to MAMADWARF, a sparker I adore).

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1/18/13 8:28 P

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Laurie,

Those are really good fins. Good choice.

When buying fins make sure the blade isn't too big. Bigger blades make it harder to kick. If you get "boot" style fins make sure you get fins that fit correctly. Boots that are too small will make your feet cramp. You may also want to wear socks with them. The boots will sometimes rub a blister into your heel.

Personally I have the "open heel" style. They are adjustable and I wear my neoprene scuba boots with them.

Just a couple more ideas for you.

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1/18/13 6:37 P

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My fins are for free diving so are way to large for swimming. I would only add that, in warming up for soccer, training or game, I'd wear ankle weights. Once off, I could fly! Perhaps the same for swimming with appropriate fins?

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1/18/13 6:10 P

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I'm no expert, but I use short ones. The longer ones make my feet cramp. Specifically, I use these: www.swimoutlet.com/product_p/1647.ht
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Although I see they've been discontinued. Bummer! I hope mine don't wear out!

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1/18/13 5:57 P

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Kourtney and Johnny Mac -
Thank you both for your input. I donated my last set of fins in a fit of closet cleaning madness two years ago, so I don't have any to bring with me. If they are going to be better for extra conditioning, I might consider purchasing another pair, but that will be another 'goal' purchase. From what both of you have stated, they aren't NEED items at this point. emoticon

What I do remember from using fins was that it was almost like cheating - maybe it's psychological, but working without them felt like more 'honest' work. That being said, I was probably 12 at the time and my sense of fairness was a little more immature than it is now. At that point, I would die before I would not do a flipturn.......my priorities are now to just do a half dozen in my 30 minute swims. Which, trust me, I know is paltry by comparison to some people on here, but I am just tickled that I am doing that and not dying. I knew that I was far too out of shape for words when my abs hurt after my second day.

If I do purchase fins eventually, is there a particular kind for swim training? The ones I remember were longer, snorkeling types - the ones I am seeing at the pool appear shorter.

Thanks!!

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1/18/13 5:51 P

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I think I'm in that spot where I've become too dependent on fins. I use them for all distance swimming. I do not use them for sprints or for kicking drills. I've gotten to the point where I can't swim more than 200 yards without them. I'd like to wean myself off but I'm not sure how. Ideas?

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1/18/13 3:34 P

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What a great question! To Fin or not to Fin, that is the question. The answer is YES and NO. You see there are two schools of thought here, and there have been as long as I've been swimming and coaching.

School # 1 - Yes to Fins: Fins are a great training tool. Use them to learn a new stroke, improve your stroke, kick harder, better fitness, etc...

School # 2 - No Fins: Use fins sparingly, use for stroke training only, can be combined with paddles to isolate muscles groups. Fins make you lazy.

Personally, I come from both schools. I like fins when they are used as a TRAINING AID and not for everyday practice. Fins are great for learning butterfly. They help to get the rhythm of the stroke and help with the correct arm movements by reducing the load on the arms. Fins are also great for backstroke because they can help get the correct kicking movement (from the hip with straighter legs not from the knees) and help maintain balance in the water.

Fins are also great for kicking drills because they engage more muscles at once and in that way help with conditioning.

On the other hand, you don't want to become dependent on fins. If you swim extensively with fins, you won't get the same "feel" for the water and your body does't work as hard to get through the water.

So, if you have them and you want to use them, great. But have a specific reason or training goal in mind when you do.

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1/18/13 11:33 A

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I've been similarly confused about fins. I started swimming as a kid, and we used fins sparingly. BUT we had 2 1/2 hr workouts, and maybe just not enough fins for everyone. As I've gotten older and joined Masters Swimming, fins seem to be used more often.

I'm not sure what is actually best. But I think my kick is stronger than a lot of fellow swimmers bc of the amount of time I spend doing kick sets without fins. And when I do use fins, the kicking is required to be an all out sprint. The extra resistance with fins is helpful for pushing yourself, but only if you PUSH. At least, that's the case in my observations.

As for the question of equal effort - for me, no matter how much I push with fins, nothing compares to the burn of long, finless kick sets. :) hope that helps!

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1/18/13 9:40 A

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Specifically, fins.
I quit training about 2-3 years before all 'serious' swimmers started using fins when doing their kicking drills. I have noticed a lot of people bringing their whole mesh equipment bag with hand paddles, pullbouy, kickboard, and the fins. I am obviously in the 'just getting started' phase of my training, and I have been swimming mostly freestyle and about 200 yards of kicking each day - but my kicking is just my stumpy little feet. I know the advantages of using hand paddles, but I am curious if fins provide commiserate benefit when doing kicking? Or is the effect negligible but provides the benefit of some speed compared to straight swimming? So you get through the drills with same effort/expenditure but you finish it faster?

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