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Thank you for the warnings Carol.

You're spot on about impatience. I'm not the most patient of people at any time but today, Monday, I've been 'hotching' to get on and do different things. I didn't get everything I wanted to do, done so I will just have to be patient, lol.

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Awesome, thanx for posting, Carol!

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I prepared these astrological comments for Spring 2017 for another team but thought they would be appropriate for this team as well, so here is my cut and paste. I was asked whether there was something in the air that was creating an unusually large amount of conflict in relationships.

Mercury, the planet of communication, moved into Aries, planet of dynamic energy and impatience, this past week. People will be affected more or less depending on their individual charts and the charts of their respective relationships. It will stay there until the end of March. Things may seem to settle down the first half of April and then it will turn retrograde and be time to go back and rehash the things that were going on in March (those things you thought were behind you) and get even more aggravating through the end of April. Although it will turn direct on May 3rd energies will stay active through the middle of May but with a more constructive tone and finally settle themselves out after the middle of May.

Also note that the spring equinox and its related new moon will occur on Monday evening, March 20th, in Aries, adding an extra dose of energy to all that impatience and pushing people to act impulsively on their emotions. I had a mentor many years ago who used to say, "Forewarned is half armed." Now that we are all aware of the potentials we can prepare ourselves. Trying to be patient, not respond in kind, and be careful with our reactions and words can help us weather this stormy aspect with minimal emotional and even physical damage.

Stay safe my friends!


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I love synchronicity. LOL I finally got done watching all those DVDs from that Moss fella and he speaks of things like deja vu, etc. His premise is that when we have a deja vu kind of experience, it is because we pretty much dream the future, so when something happens in our waking life that we dreamed prior to the episode, the memory it triggers is the deja vu feeling as tho we have 'been there' before, because essentially, we have, just in our dreams. They say that time is always simultaneous and everything we perceive as past and future actually is happening all at the same time. Hard to wrap these human minds around some of this stuff, isn't it? But yeh, will be interesting to see if you receive some sort of significance related to all of the synchronicities you have been experiencing!

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Gail, your comments on the Turkey connection left me shaking my head. You see, for a few weeks before the conference I seemed to come across the concept of synchronicity every time I turned around. At the conference I picked up a couple books and started reading the one on Neptune almost immediately; last night I was reading it and the author got into synchronicity. And so here we are with the same thing, this time regarding Turkey. It will be interesting to see what the Universe is trying to get through my thick head.

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That's pretty awesome! You know, I can't say anything.....it kinda put me in mind of my grands' dance recitals. They claim they don't allow picture taking because the 'flash' will supposedly disrupt the kids, but in reality they won't allow you to take your own pics so you will have to buy their video discs if you want a keepsake of the recital. LOL But that's nice that most of the presenters went slow enough to allow people to take notes if they wished to do that, and you're probably right about that one guy. They do sound like a friendly bunch, that's always a good thing, I think! So is the Turkish fella gonna send you some of his stuff, I hope? You'll have to let us know if he does, that'd be cool. Did he say what part of Turkey he came from? The little cow town we lived in over there was called Adana, but it was a tiny little burg, I think it barely registers on the Turkish map. LOL I've been corresponding with a girl from one of my Sethie groups and she lives with her hubby on the outskirts of Ankara, so was kinda neat to happen across someone from that area. Funny that both of us have suddenly had contact with folk from that particular area, small world, eh? I love talking to folk from other parts of the globe and getting a view from other cultures, that can only be a good thing.

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Gail, to answer your question, some presenters have handouts, some do not. Some have Power Point presentations or supplements, some do not. But ALL presentations are professionally recorded. Personal recordings are forbidden. CDs of the recordings are available at reasonable cost and are mostly available before people leave the conference. Or for a small additional fee they will be mailed. Also, some from previous conferences are also available, so if you are new and hear a presenter you like you can get previous material they have given. Also, many of the presenters will give you their e-mail addresses and you can request copies of their Power Point notes at no charge. It does help to be a good note taker, and since the presenters know they will be recorded they have specific, organized presentations, though they also try to allow enough time for questions. There was only one person I heard who talked really fast, way to fast to take notes, and I almost had the impression he just wanted to cram in a lot of stuff so people would have to buy the recordings and listen to them - slowly - at home. I resented that. But most people are really open. The Turkish man, when I talked to him as he ate breakfast, whipped out his cell phone to put my name and number in it so he could send me additional information. It's a very friendly group!

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Well, now, that's just plain cool, Carol...so it adds a whole 'nother dimension to an astro chart....I like that. Too funny, re: the Turkish fellow but what a sweet memory it brought you! I can't even imagine the volume of information you get at a weekend of these conferences, do they give you literature to help you follow along or do you just have to be a really good note taker? Thanks for posting this for us, tho, and feel free to post any more that you may have found interesting and would like to share, I love reading about this stuff. Astrology is like everything else, it just keeps morphing and expanding into new territory, it's awesome.....

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This is a really interesting article you have posted Carol. I can see how your brain would be feeling frazzled after a weekend of trying to take it all in. You have explained it very well though. If I knew what the rest meant I might even understand it all. Thank you for going to all the trouble of writing it all out.

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Since Gail has asked what I learned at NORWAC I wanted to post some new astrology information. I'll try to keep the technicalities to a minimum. The subject this time is the Prenatal Solar Eclipse.

WHAT IT IS: The prenatal solar eclipse is the last solar eclipse that occurred just before your birth. It doesn't matter if it was 2 days or 2 months ahead of your birth. And it has to be the last one before, not after, your birth, even if the one after was only one or two days away. There are lists of eclipses on the Internet and in books, and of course if you can read an ephemeris you will find it there. So they are easy to find, no real math involved.

HOW OFTEN DO ECLIPSES OCCUR? Solar eclipses occur about twice a year. Lunar eclipses are more common but are not tightly paired with solar ones. Never mind the math for now. Generally, a lunar eclipse occurs about two to three weeks after a solar eclipse but lunar eclipses occur more often, not always tied to a solar eclipse.

WHERE DOES IT GO IN THE CHART: Each eclipse will be noted with a position just like a planet, so it gets placed on a chart just like an object even though it is really just a point in space. That makes it sort of like the lunar nodes.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN: This one depends on who you ask. That is also what makes it interesting.

My introduction to these things came from Bernadette Brady, a respected British astrologer. In her book "Predictive Astrology" says the following. "...they appear to be very inconsistent in their expression. We know the timing of the eclipse, and we also know that they tend to be stressful. They can also suddenly expose a hidden problem. What we are not sure of, however, is the nature of the stress. ...whether it is good or bad news-even what sort of news it is-can be pure guesswork. The eclipses seem like wild cards stressing emotions or bringing chaotic events or, at time, apparently having little effect."

Brady then went on to tie the meaning of the eclipses to Saros cycles (named for the discoverer). A Saros cycle is a pattern of effects that is repeated or re-energized when hit by any transiting planet or angle such as an ascendant. Picture a strand of garland on a Christmas tree, draped in circular fashion around the tree from the tip to the bottom. Now imagine a ring that is placed on the garland so it can slide down toward the bottom; that is how the energy of the cycle flows. There are 17 of these that started at various times. Now add a second set that starts at the bottom of the tree and the rings move up. (Never mind gravity.) So go to a professional astrologer to find out what it means.

Next in my education came Americans Jan Spiller and Karen McCoy in their book "Spiritual Astrology." They tie the impact of eclipses to individual destiny and the transforming nature of Pluto, so consider that a crisis point. They also say that it is a point where you are working on your life lessons. Hmmmm. Not so clear either.

They go on to say, "The sign of your solar eclipse determines what your responsibility is to the collective whole, the energy you have promised to share with others. It's a gift that the universe gave you so you could teach other, thus raising and balancing the consciousness of humankind." Then they add, "The sign of your lunar eclipse indicates those qualities you need to integrate for personal balance, the lessons you have chosen to learn in this lifetime. . . . It is the lesson that your soul wants to integrate into its evolutionary pattern." Again, you will need an astrologer to give you specifics, although if you want to try it yourself, use the guidelines for interpreting planets, once you know what your eclipse points are.

So with all that as background, what did I learn at NORWAC about prenatal eclipses? The presentation was given by Hakan Kirkoglu, a leading figure of Astrology in Turkey. (That's from his NORWAC bio information.) He has been an astrologer for more than 30 years and has lectured all over the world. His take on all this is that the solar eclipse is a connecting point between a person's standard chart (as we know it) and the larger purposes of the soul. He finds the prenatal eclipse as described above, and then calculates (bless computers) an entire chart for that eclipse, using the individual's place of birth and then the date/time of the eclipse from an ephemeris. The astrologer then reads that chart as the chart of the larger soul, its characteristics, purposes, and the timing of significant events. The astrologer also compares the planetary positions and aspects to those of the standard natal chart to see where they interact or connect. Again, bless computers since you can print out the 2 charts as concentric wheels which makes all the math line up correctly.

Unfortunately, time did not allow for even one specific example. I spoke to him later about presenting one of the longer (3-6 hour) special sessions that are held before and after the regular conference (at extra cost, of course) and told him I would be interested in attending such a session. He said he had been asked about doing it but he was just finishing his thesis for his Masters degree in history and did not have time, but he would consider it if asked to return. When I filled out our NORWAC evaluation form I complimented him and asked about having him come back. We will see what happens. The conference had a record attendance last year of 296 participants (not counting presenters of staff). This year the number was 334. We can only guess what next year will bring.

As a side note, his English is pretty good, but he had trouble with gender pronouns (he/she, himself/herself, etc.) since in Turkish they do not have any such linguistic structure; everything is neutral. He almost always caught and corrected himself. But it brought me fond memories of my first mother-in-law when her younger daughter underwent the transgender change. The mother would start to reminisce about "her, I mean him, oh I just can't keep these pronouns straight." Bless her soul, I do miss that woman.


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Do they really fit you guys?? I almost cringed when I went to post them because I thought in some ways, they were a bit unkind and I didn't want you guys to get upset! LOL OMG, some of the ones I ran up last night were just awful, for all of the signs. And so many of them were just repeats, was almost like page after page of twenty sites all paraphrasing each other. This was actually the first one I found that seemed to be a bit more sensible and concentrated more on actual personality traits versus all the love/match stuff, so that was why I chose it. But I'm glad you guys liked it, whew......LOL

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The reading for the Dog fits me perfectly! Thanks.

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The reading about Tiger sounds fairly accurate for me. It sounds similar to others I gave seen. Thank you for going to the bother of looking all this up and putting it up. I'll have a look at the website too, thanks for the link.

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OK....I found out that in the years since I first looked into the Chinese horoscope stuff, they seem to have now modified it all. From what I read about it back then, it seemed to be more 'cut and dried'....now they have modified it to include various aspects of personality similar to the regular western astrological system, as in breaking down your personal characteristics according to the year, month, and time of your birth. Sigh. LOL According to *today's* Chinese astro ideology, the year I was born indicates water snake...the day I was born indicates Ox...and the time I was born indicates Dog. Good gawd....so presumably, it insinuates that my overall personality is a mixture of those elements, which might 'splain a lot, since I don't remember thinking that the standard snake profile seemed to fit very well, which was pretty much why I had fun reading about it back then, but didn't take it very seriously. LOL

But I'm going to go ahead and just post some short clips of each of our profiles, just for sh!ts and giggles, since I mentioned doing that in the 'odd occurrences' thread. So here goes: (with a little editing on my end of some of the 'fluff' stuff...)

DOG: Of all the signs, Dog symbolizes honor and justice. The honorable Dog is the sign most likely to speak out about wrongs in the world and call for justice. You have a strong sense of fair play and are usually forthright and outspoken. This makes you the perfect spokesperson for those who can't or won't speak out for themselves. You are most likely a valued member of your family as well as your community. You tend to be very protective of family members and.... Loyalty and patriotism are near and dear to your heart. ... Altho you are outspoken, you are not one to rail against your country and you are discreet and can be trusted to hold what we tell you in confidence.

The Dog is perhaps the most pessimistic sign of the zodiac. You have a tendency to look at what is wrong with things or what you might be lacking. This causes you anxiety and makes you fret excessively, especially during those times when you don't think you're good enough for whatever. When you fail to solve the problems of the world you might become bitter or cynical.

Your sense of loyalty, plus your sincerity and kindness, makes you a most desirable friend. In fact, you are almost as concerned and protective of your friends as you are of your family. You are not a materialist but rather one who derives the most pleasure from love and family. Your concern extends to all humanity and you are altruistic by nature. You prefer to use your material gains to help others. Your other gentler qualities include the fact that most often you are slow to anger yet quick to recover. You are not one to nag and nitpick. Rather, you tend to be in control of your emotions. You also have excellent powers of discernment. You choose your battles carefully.

When it comes to individual people, you are slow to form judgments. However, there is often a narrow-mindedness to your way of thinking. You tend to see things in black and white. And when you make a judgment, you cling tenaciously to your ideas and rarely change your mind. You are also rather thick-skinned; however, you can be extremely suspicious or defensive when a family member or friend is potentially threatened or attacked either verbally or physically. Sometimes your anger flares up almost instantaneously and violently as your protective urge moves you to action. On the other hand, your reserved nature can actually be a negative in family matters. You tend to be subdued, not one given to continuous displays of affection. There may, however, be times when family members require more warmth than you provide. There is one other way you can inadvertently hurt the people around you.

Your sense of justice often causes you to make judgments about others and to criticize their actions and motivations. You sometimes rashly categorize people and put them into little boxes. Having done that, you're not beyond giving tongue lashings to those that fall in the wrong box or those in the right box when they step out of line according to your reckoning. By nature you're not exactly a diplomatic critic, even when dealing with the ones you most love.
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TIGER: The adventurous and courageous Tiger is a born leader. You are not afraid to blaze new trails, and given your independent streak, you're not afraid to go it alone if necessary. Your firm determination also makes you a fierce competitor. Your passion also gives you the potential to be a star performer. Colorful and dynamic, you have a commanding presence before any group. We can count on you to command our attention and generate excitement.

Interestingly, you have another side akin to a playful kitten. It is characterized not only by youthful innocence and optimism but also by a sense of humor. You enjoy telling jokes, which are all the more funny because people usually see your serious side and are caught off guard to see you out of character. Your kinder and gentler side also includes a genuine humanitarian streak. You are empathetic and keenly sense the emotions and feelings of others, to which you respond with compassion and a sincere desire to help when needed. You tend to be very affectionate toward family and friends and charitable to everyone, being especially touched by those most in need.

The downside of the Tiger's passion is that it can lead to emotional distress, especially when frustrated by people or events. You have a tendency to be anxious and edgy. This uneasiness of mind could come from brooding fear about some contingency or simply a feeling of being tense or on edge. Your high energy level fueled by passion often makes you impatient. You want to do things right away and can become deeply frustrated with unplanned delays. Your rashness sometimes manifests itself as impulsive behavior. There is a bit of the 'fools rush in' mentality in you. In other words, you don't always think things thru before you act.

Above all, the Tiger is passionate and romantic. You let people know where they stand with you as you readily display your feelings. In your younger years you are likely to have had intense crushes. It is not surprising for a Tiger to be married more than once. ... When you're older you will find that you will be happy to settle down and will most likely be a devoted and faithful spouse. As a Tiger you will tend to want to dominate your relationships, yet you are not happy unless you are with someone you respect. Basically, you need a strong person who is not intimidated by your strength and one who has the self-confidence to let you be in charge when you want. You pride yourself in being able to take care of yourself and want someone who will support but not be paternal toward you. ...
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SNAKE: Depth and charisma make the snake a formidable presence. You tend to spend a lot of time in your head, but you are not a worrier. Rather, you pass your quiet time in reflection and contemplation. This, together with your love of learning, is what gives you such great depth. Of all the signs of the Chinese zodiac, yours is most associated with wisdom. You probably have many interests and an insatiable thirst for knowledge, which result in an increasingly complex persona. In fact, there is always more to learn about you. Just when people think they know you, they find out you have developed a totally new interest. Not only that, they discover that you have quickly grasped the subject.

Altho you are more than willing to share your knowledge, you have a penchant for secrecy when it comes to your personal life. This adds an aura of mystery to your already commanding presence. Like the Dragon, the Snake is a karmic sign, which means you are likely to experience lots of extreme highs and lows in your life. More than any other sign, the Snake knows how to present itself in the most favorable light. You are rarely flamboyant or ostentatious. Rather, you are probably fully aware of your karmic status and don't feel a need to impress anybody. But when the spirit moves you, you will appear as the most dazzling personality on the scene.

You are basically a private person and enjoy your own company more than that of other people. You can easily lose yourself in your thoughts and derive great pleasure from doing so. Thus, altho you are capable of thoroughly enjoying relationships, they are not a high priority for you in and of themselves. You tend to be a live and let live person. If people treat you right and earn your respect, you will return the favor and add immeasurably to their quality of life. ... You are happy to meet new people and learn new things. They should, however, be careful not to become too attached to you. With your insatiable appetite for new experiences it's likely you tire of other people long before they tire of you. In a marriage relationship, nevertheless, you will be faithful as long as your partner has ambition and makes an honest attempt to grow and to keep up with your ever expanding interests.

More than any other sign, the Snake believes in revenge. You don't get mad but you usually like to get even. Crossing you can be a dangerous move. Tho you may not demonstrate any anger upon learning of a wrong done to you, that doesn't mean it has been forgotten or forgiven. You are not a flirt but you probably have more than a little capacity when it comes to the art of seduction. You may use this power sparingly, but when you do it is almost always effective.
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K, that's it. I think Chinese horoscopes are more than a bit negative in their evaluations. LMAO I am supposedly a master liar, oversexed, and lazier than a sloth, according to most of the ones I ran up. Oh, and stingy...very stingy. These particular ones I got from a website called onlinechineseastrology.com, they were some of the kinder ones for ALL of these signs, altho I am not sure any of them are actually what you would call 'accurate'....

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I guess I was just lucky, maybe? LOL We are definitely polar opposites in a few things, but radically similar in others. At any rate, it's a really good match. She certainly IS a gem, tho, no doubt about that whatsoever. We've really been enjoying ourselves since she retired, altho I am a bad influence because she has now turned into a night bird like me. The poor doggy is only semi-adjusting. :)

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I truly have no idea how you got hooked up with her, but I wonder if your sense of freedom and rebellion against convention act as a balance for her hangups. Opposite attracting and all that. She still sounds like a gem.



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Hmmmmm....I just sifted back thru the posts in this thread to see what those two houses personified. Makes perfect, perfect sense to me, re: Bonzo. Both of the things encapsulated in these houses are some of her biggest, biggest hang ups and sources of insecurities. Kind of enlightening, really.....looks like she's working on some heavy duty stuff in this lifetime. Wonder how I got mixed up in it all? LMAO

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Let's see.....her sun and Uranus are in the 7th house, and the north nodes and Saturn are in the 8th house....and I can't remember what that means. LOL

I did find one thing that struck me in her profile. I had sent off for these things years ago, but kept them on my desktop all this time, even tho I've long since forgotten what all they said. But found this intriguing, given the conversation we just had about the house awhile back in the chat thread:

"Like it or not, you have some kind of social or spiritual obligation to fulfill. Until you have accepted this, discovered what it is and begun to act on it, you feel dogged by vague feelings of insecurity or threats of material collapse. Indeed, ambitions or positions that you hold which are doing nothing for the common welfare are doomed to eventual failure. Behind all of this lies the fact that you do have the makings of the practical idealist."

So maybe this is part of the reason she is so averse to even talking about ever giving up this darned house.....LOL Just a thought.....

As for her working at the prison, she did a LOT of good there. And you know...I've told her this because I genuinely believe it, but I feel that when she left there, it left a spiritual 'vacancy'. I feel that her presence at that place actually negated some of the negative atmosphere of the place and essentially 'buffered' it. And I have to laugh....the times she's met with her former co-workers after retiring, they have told her how horrible it's gotten since she's been gone, in all of the departments. I genuinely believe that the mere fact that she worked there improved the entire atmosphere in ways she didn't see. One of her co-workers ended up deciding to also retire when she left because he said the atmosphere there was literally unbearable to him, and two of her other co-workers are looking to transfer to other units or other departments because it's deteriorated so badly just in that short amount of time. She has a presence about her that is stabilizing and steadying, no matter what position or capacity she happens to occupy. I've seen it and felt it, but it's hard to explain. She definitely has some kind of 'steady eddie' vibes going on that tend to defuse and calm whatever atmosphere she finds herself in. Plus she's so heavily practical, if you look up 'common sense' in Websters I'm sure her pic would be there. LMAO She does not suffer fools for even one second.

But as far as spiritual stuff in general, she has NO patience whatsoever. If you try to speak with her about anything metaphysical, she gets irritated as hell and indulges in nothing but eye rolling. Externally, anyway, she has a major tendency to literally run from anything like that, and I'm not sure why. So whatever vibes she has, she is totally unconscious of them herself, but other people definitely notice it. She is very blind to her own strengths and capabilities.

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Well, it looks as though Bon has quite a number of planets in Arachne. How it manifests may be different, depending on what numbered house it falls in (the wheel still turns to start with the ascendant). I did not mention that one of the characteristics is not so much psychic in traditional terms as it is in life-saving terms, helping people physically or mentally or emotionally. I gather she worked at the prison with you and still stays in touch there. She may be expressing her connection with people in that setting - as you may have done with nursing and your other work as well. I'm glad you were able to understand what you were looking at and that you took the time. Thanks.

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Hmmmm, that's really interesting. I don't see that I have anything that falls in that category at all......looking at my chart, there is nothing in Taurus and the only thing in Gemini is Jupiter, which is 18 degrees/23 minutes. This is what it says in the soul profile thingy I had done that I told you about a long time ago...

"You have a logical, detached, objective view of most things. Your interests are wide ranging and you are an avid student, with expertise in many different areas. You love to work things out in your mind---everything you do is reduced to an exercise in logic and reason. You have the ability to grasp abstractions and to deal successfully with the larger issues of life. Your overemphasis on developing your powerful intellect can cause your emotional and intuitive abilities to atrophy unless you consciously choose to exercise them."

So it appears to me that I am overall NOT very psychic, which is what I've always pretty much said....LOL (the 'as attuned as a mud fence' thing....lol) Whatever I do get, re: any psychic impulses, are pretty much nothing more than brief flashes here and there. It's not something that I can 'plug into' like some people seem to be able to do. Which is why psychic type of experiences for me are actually pretty hard, most days....BUT I'm working on that a lot here lately. LOL

Let's see....I pulled up Bon's soul profile, it says she has Sun 15 degrees/7minutes in Taurus, Uranus 11 degrees/33 minutes in Gemini, North Node 10 degrees/46 minutes in Gemini, and Saturn 7degrees/2 minutes Gemini.....so not sure which, if any, of these fall within those parameters....?

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"Someone I loved once gave me a box full of darkness. It took me years to understand that this too, was a gift." ~~~Mary Oliver
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I finished the book on finding the 13th sign. I am not inclined to begin using the entire horoscope adjusted for the addition but I definitely will start watching for people with planets in this range. Here is a brief summary of the information.

The 13th sign is called Arachne and its mythology follows the story of Arachne who was a known for her spinning and turned into a spider. Thus the primary symbol is the spider. a secondary symbol is a spider's web or (simplified) a wheel. The astrologic symbol looks like a circle with a plus sign inside of it.

The sign of Arachne represents the place where we get in touch with our deepest inner self, the core of our soul, and our connection between that core and the larger consciousness of the Universe, and where and how we express it. For simplicity, any planets in an individual's chart between 25 degrees-23 minutes of Taurus and 23 degrees-5 minutes of Gemini falls within this sign. This also includes the nodes of the moon, and finding the ascendant or midheaven (cusps of 1st and 10th houses respectively) in that range would also emphasize these abilities.

In a chart the sign would be located between Taurus and Gemini. If the chart is set up in the "standard" pattern starting with Aries and running through Pisces, the houses would each be 27.69 degrees in size instead of 30 degrees each. Since we are only working with a sign and not a corresponding planet, there is no ephemeris showing the position of Arachne at the time of birth. One has to construct a conventional chart and then adjust the house cusps. The author gives a table in his book. If you are interested in trying to do this please let me know and I will send you a copy or add it to this thread.

The author includes all forms of psychic abilities as being under the auspices of this sign. He includes astrology because the individual's ability to recognize the patterns in a chart and coordinate them with numbers and behaviors is consider a psychic ability, and I do know that very often working when with a chart an astrologer will find him/herself drawn into the life of the individual and somehow connecting with parts of the individual's personality that go beyond textbook explanations.

I have 3 planets - the moon, Venus, and Uranus - plus the nodes of the moon all in this sign of Arachne. And I must say my draw to astrology (and past life regression work) has been essentially out of my control. It really is an innate pull, essentially a compulsion, something in my psyche that cannot let me view and deal with life in any other way. I'd say that this new information and system definitely apply in my case.


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Sally, that's really interesting, that the author had another name but nothing on it came up here. I appreciate your offer about the other articles, but please don't bother. This book will be more than enough of him for me, though I am glad I found it.

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That would make life a whole lot more complicated for you Carol but I can see the sense in taking it into consideration. The other consideration there is if the information for other signs is more or less correct to the person getting the reading then the only bit really needing tweaked is the bit you've mentioned. Good luck with that! lol

I had a look at amazon over here as not all books have international ISBNs. I found a few by James Vogh. The Cosmic Factor - Health and Astrology; Astrology and your Health; Sequential Memory with Art; Bioastrologia - L'influsso dagli astri sulla salute fiscia e psichica. The last was a collaboration with another writer. There were a couple of others about oils and chemicals too but I didn't note them down.

I also had a look online at the name James Vogh and it would appear he was actually James Sladek and he was from the US. The snippet I saw was from an obituary for James Sladek in the Guardian 13th April, 2000. There are other entries about him too. if you can't get them I'll try to copy them if you're interested.

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That's really interesting, Carol, it would add a little bit of a new dimension to your charts, maybe, so that's a win-win. But you're right about the mess it would be to have to re-tweak the entire system that's been in place for so long, that would be a nightmare. Thanx for sharing that with us!

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The book I picked up recently is titled "Arachne Rising." The author is James Vogh who lives (lived?) in Scotland. The book was published in 1977. Essentially he is arguing that we should have 13 signs of the zodiac each containing 27.69230769 degrees instead of 12 signs of exactly 30 degrees, basing this on the concept of the lunar month instead of the solar concept. Here you can see the obvious first problem, since it would be nearly impossible to place everything precisely on a chart without a computer. It would also then shift the positions of the planets on most peoples' charts. He does include a conversion chart (whole numbers only) in the book but it would certainly be a tough conversion. Note that all astrology software would have to be recomputed too.

In the book he explains his rationale and places Arachne between Taurus and Gemini. The symbol would be the spider, based on the mythology of both Arachne and Ariadne who were knowing for spinning thread and creating beautiful circular designs. He points to the similarities between the circular spider webs and the wheels of chariots and expands the areas defined by the sign. Specifically, he says the sign indicates people with special connections to their inner selves, those with strong intuition, spirituality, and psychic abilities.

Astrology is complex enough as it currently is practiced, especially with the addition of asteroids and planetoids over the last few years. But I do think I will try adding it to my readings this way: Anytime I see planets in a chart located between 25 degrees of Taurus and 22 degrees of Gemini I will explore the idea of psychic or other spiritual abilities with these folks and see if the description fits, especially if there have been major transits across those points and/or planets that have move into these positions by progression. It certainly seems to work this way in my own chart where I have the moon, Venus, Uranus, and the North Nodes all between 1 and 21 degrees of Gemini.

I would be interested to hear if anyone out there has such planetary positions in their charts and can find coordinations in their own lives.


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You're welcome, Mary, I always try to post stuff I happen across that y'all might find interesting, and I happen across a LOT of stuff. And posting about it in here also enables me to go back to it later, too, since I'm so forgetful.

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LODI, thank you! Heather Ensworth sounds like a fascinating woman, and her book, too, sounds really intriguing. What a neat resource!

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Both Jeffrey Wolfe-Green and Richard Tarnas are apparently well respected in the astrological community. I never heard of Tarnas until last spring at the Norwac conference in Seattle where everyone was raving about his work. He is now scheduled to teach at the upcoming Norwac conference this coming May. I am going to try to get a copy of his book when I get back on my feet. I suspect it's pretty heavy going but will be interesting nonetheless.

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Just dropping thru to post a little ditty re: astrology. On the Afterlife TV website, it had an interview with an astrologer, Heather Ensworth, that was really, really good and reinforced a lot of the stuff that Carol does with astrological readings. She has a website, lemme see if I can post the link....

www.Risingmoonhealingcenter.com

And she also spoke of a fella named Richard Tarnas who's written a book called 'Cosmos and Psyche', re: the influence of astrology on world happenings and transitions of the collective, etc. Another fella she mentioned was Jeffrey Wolfe-Green, who I think is someone that Carol has spotlighted, as far as the transformative/evolutionary astrology, etc.....

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Good advice where ever the planets are placed but thank you for the extra information. As you said forewarned etc.

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Thanks for all the kind words. Since astrology is "my thing" so to speak and you all seem to appreciate it, I will continue to post stuff like this as it comes along. Enjoy!

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Excellent, excellent lesson AND advice, Carol, thank you for posting this. Seems to me that whether direct, retrograde, planetary, or whatever, these are lessons that would be worthwhile to keep in mind ALL days of ALL years....would go a long way toward diffusing reactive tensions between people both in real time and online in their personal interactions and overall feelings.

Kinda relates to the 'stepping back' bit, and the old saying that 'feelings are not facts'....so think before you spew....or 'diss'....always good advice. And realize that every person is dealing with their own lives and 'stuff', generally, so best to not take things personally.

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Thanks for the information, a lot to digest.


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Recently I was preparing some information for an individual and in the process thought some of it might be helpful for everyone, so I am posting it here. It has some dates of events coming up and thought you might find it interesting to see what happens at these times - if you remember them by the time they arrive.

Two things are coming up in November that may prove to be either helpful or explanatory of things that may happen then. Remember, they will apply to everyone in the world but in different ways and more intensely for some people at one time and for other people at another time.

The first one will begin on November 12, 2015. The transiting nodes of the moon, which indicate the life lessons the universe is working on teaching us, will move from Libra (balance, manipulating our world) into Virgo (paying attention to details, dealing with criticism from both ourselves and others). The nodes are a point in space so they appear to move backwards or in a reverse direction from the path taken by the planets. They will be in Virgo for about 2-1/2 years, so this will not likely hit as specifically as Mercury turning direct. But everyone may notice a shift in the directions they have to take to figure out what is going on in the world and how we get along. Understanding this as lessons may help a person apply their energy more carefully and be willing to take evaluations as positive suggestions rather than being defensive and resistant to assistance.

The second one is that Neptune will be turning direct on November 18, 2015. Neptune is the planet that indicates where the specifics and "solid" parts of the world touch the ethereal realms outside the range of our usual senses. They include illusion, delusion, creativity, spirituality, and idealism. Neptune is retrograde about half the year at a time so the impact is more diffused on social levels but it still impacts individuals. Generally when it is retrograde our viewpoints on various issues may be skewed or affected by unseen forces such as buried memories or other subconscious issues, or by people and circumstances that are hidden from our view. As it turns direct some of these viewpoints will start to change. New information or opportunities may arise; the caution is always to be sure that things really are what they seem.

As a heads up, while the north nodes of the moon show us the lessons we are here to learn, the south nodes, which are exactly opposite, draw us back into our old habits. Since the south nodes will move into Pisces, which is where Neptune is currently moving forward, the two are on a collision course that will occur end of July of 2016 and then because they both swing back and forth just a bit will bounce together several times until around late November or early December of 2016. So as people deal with criticisms and the need to buckle down to details they will be likely to fall into old habits of resistance and living in denial. You will probably see it in world affairs as well; sometimes the best part of these things is knowing when they will end! My overall suggestion is for everyone to be especially gentle on yourselves and others during these times. It is easy to get caught up in the critical phases and say things that are not meant.

So keep your eyes open. As my mentor used to say, "Forewarned is half armed." You can't always change things but you can prepare yourself to deal with them!



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I know for me I intend on starting to reread it all this very weekend. It is a complicated subject and for me takes more than one read and a lot of patience to make it clear in my head. A daunting task at best.

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Gail, you do not owe me any apologies. Nor does anyone else. I put this information together because it seemed to be something everyone needed and was a way for me to spread some education. Maybe it was a little selfish on my part too: I wanted people to know how complex this astrology business is and what it takes to get valid readings - and to know that those readings can be valid. I never expected anyone to just dive in and start reading charts - in spite of your best intentions. I've been at this 35 years and still have times of feeling like a real novice. I would never expect people (like all of you) who have full lives to drop everything for this.

So thanks to you (and Dot) for your kind words. They are greatly appreciated. And if the time comes when any of you have questions or want information on a specific topic please feel free to ask. I'm not sure when you'll get answers but I'll make a good faith effort to get information back to you in a timely manner.




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I also would like to thank you for taking the time to do this for everyone, Carol. It is a phenomenal amount of work and so terribly intricate, which I think is why it appeared that we weren't interested.....I'm not sure it was a lack of interest so much as a lack of genuine time to really digest and make cohesive order of everything. Life has a way of intervening on everyone's good intentions and this is a lot of info, and sections that take time to 'put together' in your head to really understand the overall view. I'm not sure how everyone else is, but with being so busy over the summer months, it was really, really hard for me to grab the time that I personally needed to really delve into it all, and I apologize for that. After working outside most of each day on the good days, that 'down' time in the evening for me was pretty much brain dead. LOL And the rain days ended up getting eaten up with other things....then didn't help when I would stumble upon a book that engrossed my attention, either. So I am sorry that we didn't take the time to delve into the lessons more, I hope you don't feel that you wasted your time. We do appreciate all of your hard work, for sure. Your knowledge of this is astounding, really, it's more than obvious that you have found a calling with it all, I think it's wonderful.

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Dot, thank you for taking time to look at this. I always tell people that without all the information and work astrology can only get an accuracy of 30%. But that 30% is there, so perhaps it was not coincidence so much as the lucky meshing of your individual chart with the bigger picture. I had one the other day too about something completing and got a laugh at how exact on target it was - for a change! I'm glad you are getting a good perspective on the whole process. Best wishes to you as you pursue it. As always, please let me know if you have questions.

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Thanks for all the work you have put into all this, now I have to sit down and read it all again from beginning to end and try to absorb it all.

Some of the lesser planets information was quite interesting to me and I will have to dig further into how they may have had an effect on my life.

I know some of this zodiac stuff in magazine is so generic it is impossible to take much away from it, but I read one the other day that said a financial issue would be finally settled. I did not give it much thought because I do not have any financial issues up in the air, or so I thought. Then last week end I got a piece of mail, it was from a retirement fund that Dave had, at the time he left the company it was worth several thousand $$, well he was trying to get the money to put into a personal IRA, but no the holding company would not release the funds because the original company had gone out of business and we could not get a signature authorizing the withdrawal, but they could keep charging the fund carrying charges and any other charge they wanted to. So in short, now 20 years later they have decided it is an orphan fund and I can have what is left of the money, I am sure after they take out some more fees, but it is down to less than $800 now. So I guess that is the financial matter my horoscope might have referred to. Or just coincidence.

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Well, as you can tell by the dates on my most previous posting here, no one has been interested in this last lesson. In the interests of completion and providing additional information, I am not posting the last so-called lesson in this series. It's not really a lesson on reading charts, like the other lessons. Instead it is a compendium of miscellaneous information on the general topic. If you want to read more please consult one of the many books on the subject; the last item in this presentation tells you where to find and order many of them.

Happy horoscope reading!
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Astrology Lesson 6 – Miscellaneous Items

This lesson is going to provide a light introduction to many topics that will hopefully answer some of the questions that may come up as you continue to work with charts. It is not an exhaustive list and is not presented in any particular order. It is my last planned presentation but I will be happy to address other questions if you have them.

Q. Are there other planets besides the traditional ones?

A. A few years ago the International Astronomical Union downgraded the status of Pluto from a full planet to a dwarf planet primarily because of the 2005 discovery of Eris, which is slightly larger than Pluto and runs on a highly elongated/eccentric orbit; the Union did not want to add another full-size planet to the system. Also placed in this category is Chiron, discovered in 1977 that orbits between Saturn and Uranus. It is one of a new group named for centaurs and it is also considered a dwarf planet.

Chiron is called the wounded healer and defines a place when we carry an old wound, from childhood or some past life(s), depending on your viewpoint. It has a 50 year orbit. Eris in mythology was the goddess of discord and chaos and seems to function that way sometimes. Recent research postulates that Eris is the planet that defines our ultimate destiny, that this we absolutely cannot help doing, regardless of whether it is socially acceptable or not. (Picture the early astronomers insisting the earth revolves around the sun instead of vice versa.) Its complete one complete orbit is 200+ years and seems to apply generationally as well as individually. Right now nearly everyone on earth has Eris in Aries, so it is no surprise we have been enduring lessons of high energy and violence, especially through huge (world) wars during this period. Ephemerides for both of these planets are available on-line.

In addition, astronomers have been identifying asteroids and figured out that some of them, Ceres in particular, is as large or larger than Pluto. Four of these asteroids have been investigated by astrologers and information published on them: Ceres, Pallas Athena, Juno, and Vesta. I have started to include them in my readings, but I always have to look up the exact definitions (same with Eris and Chiron) so it takes a lot longer to prepare a reading these days.

There are also books with the named fixed stars and their positions. I believe there are literally hundreds if not thousands of them. They are more than my old brain can handle. Maybe some of the newer computer programs include them – I really don’t know. That’s for the really advanced folks.

Q. How are the numbers on the house cusps determined if you don’t have a computer program?

A. The methods vary with the house systems, but essentially they come from astronomical computations based on various mathematical formulas. I don’t have that expertise. I recently heard a real expert claim that there are about 35 different house systems. If you really want to know, consult the all knowing Internet. My personal recommendation, if you have a correct birth time and place, is the Placidus system, followed by the Koch. If you do not have the date and time, you can consult an ephemeris for the position of the sun at noon, put it on the ascendant (and in the first house) and make all the house cusps exactly 30 degrees apart based on the ascendant. That’s the same number of degrees and just run the signs in their usual order. This is also useful if you have a computer: just use the place and time it for noon. But be aware that accuracy will drop to about 30%. Just remember that the moon can change sign on the same day depending on its position within that sign (how many degrees).

Q. How do you know the positions of the planets?

A. The source book for this information is called an ephemeris. The root word means “change” and is the basis for the term ephemeral, meaning things that appear, exist for a short time, and then change to something else. The plural is “ephemerides.” Essentially it is a book with rows and columns of numbers and symbols that show the position of planets every day. A standard ephemeris shows the conventional listing of planets, but I have also seen separate ones for various asteroids and I am sure there are many more. It is important to check whichever one you choose to see what time zone it is set for. Some are set for Greenwich Time, others for Eastern Standard, others for Pacific Standard, and I’m sure there are others for other world-wide locations. Depending on the location used for the chart being read you may have to adjust the time. For example, if an ephemeris is set for midnight Greenwich time and the birth chart being read is set for 2:00 PM in Chicago in December, you would take the ephemeris time, add 6 hours for time zone adjustment and then add another 14 for the birth time. That’s where it gets complicated and computers are handy.

Q. How do you account for people growing and learning and changing?

A. There are several methods of accounting for change. Which one you use depends on your particular philosophy and which seems to work best for you. The most common one is called a Secondary Progression, or just Progression. It is computed by just counting down the lines on the page of the ephemeris one day for each year of life. This information can be used in 2 different ways. One is to take the planetary positions and lay them on the natal chart. This gives you the progress of the energy of a planet. For example, if a person’s natal sun is 6 degrees behind a natal Uranus, you can expect the person to have an explosion of independent thinking at age 6, since the sun moves about 1 degree a day, which would translate to one degree per year in progression. This would also show about what age retrograde planets would turn direct – or if/when direct planets might go retrograde. It is a way of figuring soul growth. The other way to deal with these is to run the whole chart for that day and read that chart as a stand-alone. This would provide more information about how the individual is likely to be acting and being affected at that particular time but does not account for soul progression.

Another frequently used system is called solar arc and moves everything the same distance (in degrees) as you would move the sun each year. The actual rate of movement of each planet is ignored; retrogrades are also ignored. There are other systems as well. The important thing to remember is that they are symbolic systems, not intended to literally depict astronomical positions.

Using progressions emphasizes the need for an exact birth time. Since the moon moves an average of 13 degrees per day, then the moon position will change 13 degrees in a year, or about a degree per month. If you estimate a moon to be situated at noon and it is at 25 degrees or 5 degrees, for example, then the emotional shifts it indicates will occur 5 months before or after the projected dates.

Q. What does the term Transit mean?

A. Transit refers to motion, so it is a planet in motion. In reading a chart it is the position of a planet at the time of the reading or the time in question. It reflects external events and is like the director of a play calling “Action.” Like the Doppler effect with sound, one can often feel the approaching event even when the planet is still a few degrees from an exact aspect, but once it has passed the effects wane quickly. Astrologers who do not work with progressions will often just apply transit positions to natal charts to give a reading. Accuracy is still variable.

Q. What does the term Retrograde mean?

A. We all know planets do not stop in their tracks and go backward. But all the planets run in elliptical orbits (Venus is the only one close to a perfect circle) so sometimes they are on a straight path, sometimes turning corners. So sometimes, visually from earth, it looks as though they are going backwards, and astronomers measure their positions in numbers running backward. That period is called a retrograde. Astrologically it is a period when the energy of that planet is skewed. Sometimes it is turned inward, sometimes (as with Mercury, for example) the energy is just plain messed up. And if you are working with progressions or transits, it is a time to stop and reconsider any decisions or actions taken under a direct motion. When the visual circumstances change and the planet appears to be going forward again, it is time to take an action or make a decision that is more likely to last.

Q. What is meant by Chart Patterns?

A. The term chart pattern describes the visual picture formed by the planets on a chart. A Bowl pattern occurs when all the planets are clustered within 6 or 7 houses all together with all the empty houses clustered separately. A bucket is like a bowl but with one planet (usually but not always the moon) opposite the center of the bowl planets, looking like the handle of the bucket. In such a chart the separated planet acts like a lens, so that all the energy going in or out of the chart is filtered by the energy of that planet. For example, if the handle of the bucket is the moon, then everything the person thinks, says, or does is filtered through their emotions and its attitudes as shown by its sign, regardless of how logical the rest of the chart may be.

Q. What is a Yod?

A. A Yod is a planetary pattern in which 2 planets are sextile each other (60° apart) with a third planet in quincunx (150°) from both of them, so that lines connecting them through the center of the chart circle form a Y. It is often called the Finger of God, with the finger (150° separated planet) pointing to a major lesson the individual is supposed to learn. The other 2 planets help each other teach the lesson.

Q. What are the Arabic Parts or Points?

A. Early astronomers (considered to be from the middle east, or Arabs) calculated a number of points relating to fortune, health, opportunity, danger, and so on. They are often found on computer programs although many (most?) astrologers do not take the time to calculate them by hand.

Q. Where do the asteroids fit in?

A. Asteroids are essentially huge rocks that were created when planets collided in ancient history. They flow in a ring of energy between Mars and Jupiter. They were discovered in the early 1800s and represent various aspects of energy. The first ones represent feminine energy. The primary ones are Ceres, Juno, Pallas Athene, and Vesta. Descriptions of them are a separate course. The book Asteroid Goddesses by Dmetra George is available if you want to read about them.

Q. Where can I find the books to learn about all this stuff?

A. A few books are available at commercial bookstores and on Amazon. The American Federation of Astrologers runs the largest mail order business of astrological books. Their website is Astrology.com. It includes an inventory of all their books and they can be purchased on-line. You do not have to be a member to use this service. A new book The Tenth Planet by Henry Seltzer has the recent information on Eris; that book is still being distributed in this country (printed in England) and may be harder to get.








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Thanks for the good words, ladies. I appreciate it more than you know. I've been working at this astrology business more than 35 years and it still has moments of blowing me away because I just can't believe it. Mostly I can't believe that there is a system with this much accuracy. I'll get around to that last lesson soon. I prepared a draft of it awhile back - just need to find some uninterrupted time to finish it. Maybe when hubby goes to his AA meeting on Friday - or I have another bout of insomnia. We'll see.

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So it is kind of a 'hit and miss' thing, then.....I have no doubt that even a moment can make a big difference in a chart. She also did a reading for me, Dawn, and it was phenomenal...I keep it in my email and go back here and there to go over it again.

Thanx for explaining that, Carol. That would kinda tick me off, I think, if I knew someone just asked for a chart to be done so they could use it essentially for funny/gossip fodder. BUT...that being said.....you may just make a believer out of the woman and stifle her laughter before it begins. LOL That is what happened to me when I took that astro course thru the A.R.E. I went into it not really expecting anything but the 'same old/same old' that you see in the tabloid-type horoscopes. I really did not take this stuff very seriously at all, prior to taking that course. What I ended up getting was so eerily accurate that it actually creeped me out. I have been a real believer in this stuff ever since. It was more than eye opening. I hope your chart has the same effect on that other lady you are doing one for.

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Carol has been working on a reading for me...sorry, I asked that it be shared privately...and discovered that, sometimes, even one minute can make a difference. Who knew??

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Hey everybody. In case you missed it, Gail asked me on the General Chat thread about what I do to figure out a chart when I don't have a birth time to work with. I thought the answer belonged on this thread, so here it is.

There are several ways to deal with the issue of not having a birth time. A commonly used one is to simply take noon on the day of birth, place the position of the sun on the ascendant and the sun in the first house right at the ascendant, make all house cusps exactly 30 degrees from the ascendant. That also gives you a moon position. But the accuracy drops to about 30%. The bigger issues come when you progress the chart. There are processes that I have seen published but I don't know how good they are. The lady who first did my chart decided she wanted to rectify it (I was adopted and had no birth time on the birth certificate the state of Ohio provided for that). She basically asked a lot of questions about events in my life and then tried to find a time that would account for some of those events. And that chart sort of "worked" for me for awhile. Then I finally got a copy of my original birth certificate with a time on it, and the rectified chart was off by about 4 hours. The "proper" chart works much better. In the case of the lady whose chart I am working on, she gave me about a 2 hour window of 6:00 to 8:00 a.m. I have printed out computerized charts for 6:00, 7:00, and 8:00 and will call her to ask questions to see how close I can figure from there. But I will also firmly tell her that I have serious concerns about the accuracy. In this case in particular, I call this a "learning experience" for myself, experience in how to do something new. I will not be getting paid for the chart and did not volunteer it (I did volunteer for our group so don't anybody worry about the time I have taken with your charts) and I get this is just more of a "lark" for her, so on one hand I'm not too excited about taking a lot of time for her; on the other hand, she sounds like one of those people who would tell her hairdresser so they could get a good laugh about astrology, and I don't want to give her any more grist for that mill. I also delay a little on those in the (usually vain) hope that the person will actually get me a time. That happens quite a bit and saves me a lot of grief. I'll let you know what happens.

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Nooo, I have not forgotten about our lessons! LMAO I'm thinking I may not get the time I need to do this til we either get flippin' done with all this house stuff or the snow flies...whichever comes first. Uuuuuggghhh



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Not a problem, Gail. Our schedules all vary and sometimes there just is no opportunity to sit down and focus in blocks of time. The next time I get the chance I will finish the 5th lesson, which is sort of a conglomeration of miscellaneous topics of general information and then post it. I will not do any more unless I get requests. At that point I will try to get back to some of those other readings of my new cards. Enjoy your time with Bon and your good weather.

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Just dodging in to let you know I have NOT abandoned this endeavor, Carol!!!! Bon has been keeping my arse running here, now that the weather has been so nice.....which I guess is a good thing, overall, BUT it sure doesn't leave me any time to get back to this 'cause by the time the daylight is gone, my arse is dragging and twice now I've fallen asleep in the danged recliner. LMAO I am glad the rains finally stopped, but by the same token, I had a helluva lot more puter time when they were here. LOL

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When my adoption as an infant was finalized the state of Ohio issued a new birth certificate for me and it didn't have the birth time on it either. It was only years later when I was able to get a copy (actually a copy of the microfiche) that I found my birth time. My guess would be that they either a) didn't wanted to write out all the information since they were done by hand in those days, or b) wanted to put them on a different form to deter fraud. I'd bet money nobody was thinking of having a birth time as part of identity theft and most certainly would not realize how much of a person's life gets opened up when you have the birth date, time, and place. Now that we have computerized records, I would bet that people getting copies in future years will be getting some kind of computerized form that may include the time. And, pardon me, I guess time will tell.

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I'm not far behind ya, Sally....I actually have 10 1/2 pages, written. LOL I'm gonna try checking out one of my kids' charts and see what I come up with, with all of this......

Hey, just an aside.....partner lost her birth cert copy she used to have, so when she had to do all of the paperwork for her retirement, she had to get another copy from the health dept. here in town. Did you know that on the new ones, they no longer put the time of birth??? I found that odd...it has all of the regular info, as far as date, parents, etc. but nowhere does it list what time the person was born.

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Thanks for the good words, Sally. And don't worry about offending me. I love the way you
use English. Your general use idioms, terms, and phrases broaden our perspective on the language and are a good reminder that one does not have to use "socially unacceptable words" to get a point across. Over the years the people I have known who can do that have also turned out to be some of the smartest people I have known, so it actually speaks quite well for you. By the way, you should have 4 lessons: Signs, Planets, Houses, and Putting It All Together. You should be coming up on dinner time by now - I hope you have had a good day. Hope everyone else has a decent day too - my task today is to donate blood this afternoon!

EDIT: Looks as though I had my days messed up. Today is Sunday. Blood donation is Monday. Oops!


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Thank you Carol, I now have this lesson beside the others. I don't remember how many lessons exactly but I do have 12 pages on my documents so you have done a lot of work on this!!

Good job you can do touch typing Gail otherwise it could be extremely difficult to read. ROFLMAO.

Good luck with the telecoms Carol. If they're anything like ours it too could become quite interesting. Our village was the very last in Britain to be digitalised, broad sheet and tabloid newspapers etc all there to see us changing over, you would think with all that modern technology that should be there we would be really well in advance of other places. Not so. I think they just stuck in what was left over from everywhere else and hope for the best. Our internet goes off and on more often than a woman of the night's underwear. There is a more earthy version but I know how picky sparks is about such things. I do hope I haven't offended anyone! LOL

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Not a problem with the Pluto interpretation, Gail. It's a good example of why I am always dubious about pre-written generic stuff. It's also a good example of why so many people read that stuff and think astrology is not valid. That's just an ongoing battle for astrologers. As for the "hint" I knew you weren't giving me one - it was just a little joke. It was already to go so no problem. My computer/phone/TV system was on when I came back from the store so I also decided to take advantage of it, in case it goes out again. I saw a Comcast truck up the street and think they must be doing some line work today. Also when hubby gets back he will want to catch up on his e-mails, so I won't be chomping at the bit to get back on the machine. It all works out fine.

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LMAO!!! I actually wasn't hinting....the 'crap' part was directed at myself for (once again) getting ahead of myself when I wasn't even done with what came before. LOL But thanx for posting the next lesson, that'll give me more to work on. Oh, and thanx for clarifying that one Pluto section of my grandson's chart....that makes much more sense to me, re: his own personal description. I knew that the slow planets exert an influence upon generations, etc. but that particular interpretation seemed to come right out of the Fox News genre. LMAO It just did not seem to 'fit' with the rest of his chart interpretation, it seemed 'off' to me, as tho it was more of a 'personal' statement on the part of the chart descriptors, versus an actual reference to anything having to do with the object/person whose chart it was or what particular significance this alignment had to do with him, personally.....it seemed a little 'jarring' to me when I read it and seemed to 'stand alone' in its overall sentiment, if that makes any sense. Maybe my BS meter just went off....LOL

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OK, Gail, I can take a hint. Here is the next lesson. Good luck with typing it all in! It's really too bad you can't just print it out, but my academic experience has taught me that writing it out like that actually helps imprint it better in the brain, so you may be ahead of the game by writing it that way.

PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER

So far we have considered each item separately. Even the combinations have been essentially stand-alone. So what you have so far is:

1st house – Mars - Aries– cardinal fire
2nd house – Venus – Taurus – fixed earth
3rd house – Mercury – Gemini – mutable air
4th house – Moon – Cancer – cardinal water
5th house – Sun – Leo – fixed fire
6th house – Mercury – Virgo – mutable earth
7th house – Venus – Libra – cardinal air
8th house – Pluto – Scorpio – fixed water
9th house – Jupiter – Sagittarius – mutable fire
10th house – Saturn – Capricorn – cardinal earth
11th house – Uranus – Aquarius – fixed air
12th house – Neptune – Pisces – mutable water

Those are not all the characteristics that can be considered, but they will do for a start. We have enough for you to begin initial chart reading.

PUT THE PLANETS ON THE ZODIAC WHEEL

For the moment we will assume you are working with a chart from a computer program or one that was given to you by someone else. Figuring that out from scratch will be discussed later.

The planets are placed on their zodiac wheel according to their sequence as shown in the positions on the cusps. If you are using the printout from Astrolabe you will not see the exact numbers on the cusps but you can approximate them from the number of “ticks” inside the wheel; the signs are on the outside ring in symbols; there is a table on the chart of what the symbols mean. It might be easier for you to read if you draw your own chart and write out the names of the planets and signs as you go, until you learn the symbols. You can pretty much copy the positions from the printout.

When you read a chart you combine the planet and sign characteristics with the definition of the house. So if you have Jupiter in Aries in the 3rd house, you could read that as “many (Jupiter) rowdy (Aries) siblings (3rd house).” You could also read it as “in childhood (3rd house) you experienced spiritual (Jupiter) violent activities (sacrifices).” You could also read this as “Competed in football (Aries) at the state championships (Jupiter) for the school (3rd house).” Or you could read it “likes to write (3rd house) about burning down (Aries) churches (Jupiter).” You can come up with your own stories. As you can see, since each element covers a variety of possibilities, the combinations, even within the parameters of each item, are almost without number. The only way to know which way to go with the reading is to ask the individual whose chart is being read – if it is not your own.

However, there are a few techniques to help narrow down the possibilities to more manageable numbers and likely frameworks.

FIRST CLUE: WHERE DID THIS EVENT REALLY START?

Actions don’t just occur out of thin air. They are motivated and have origins. Actions shown in the chart arise from the house ruled by sign of the acting planet. WHAT??? OK, let’s give an example. Referring back to that last discussion of Jupiter in Aries in the 3rd house: Jupiter (the acting planet) rules Sagittarius. In this hypothetical chart we will assume Aries rules the 3rd house. Sagittarius is 8 signs later, so add 8 to get to the 11th house. If you have a real chart to look at, find Sag and identify whatever house it rules. So in our example, the motivation for the actions started with groups of people – perhaps a crowd in an arena or a classroom of students or peers on the playground or a club the person belongs to or a group of co-workers. So again we ask the person or look at what we know of the life involved.

This process also works in reverse: for example, if a chart shows Leo on the cusp of the 2nd house, (drive to create one’s own financial security) look for the sun (ruler of Leo) to show where and how it is expressed. In this case perhaps you find the sun in the 4th house in Scorpio, showing a person who strongly derives his sense of self-worth (sun) from the house he lives in (4th house) who becomes a lawyer (Scorpio). You can then add other details: for example, that the cusp of the 4th house is Libra so he wants an exceptionally nice house. With the sun as his father, he may also end up joining the father’s law firm, keeping the money in the family.

In any case, the basic rule is: the motivation starts in the house of the area of life involved and shows up in the house and actions of the planets.

SECOND CLUE: ASPECTS – HOW ALL THESE THINGS WORK TOGETHER

People do not exist in isolation, and neither do the elements in the universe. Just as the original horoscope description is based on geometry, so are the relationships of the signs and planets are also based on geometry. Generally speaking, the most widely used angles between planets are those of 0° (conjunction), 60° (sextile), 90° (square), 120° (trine), and 180° (opposition). The ones There are many others generally considered in more advanced study.

The aspects describe the actions any 2 or more planets will have on each other when they are in one of these relationship positions. Well, sort of, mostly. Many astrologers describe planets having these relationships if the aspects are close to these specifications. How close? It depends.

The amount of variation allowed (in degrees) varies from astrologer to astrologer and among various situations being evaluated. These variations are referred to as orbs. Some astrologers also consider the position to be in effect whether the degrees of orb in the chart occur before or after the exact aspect occurs. I usually use an orb of about 1°, and I usually only allow that degree before the movement becomes exact. Think of it as a Doppler effect: you often hear a train’s whistle before you see the train, and it gets louder and louder as it approaches. But once it has passed by, you almost can’t hear the whistle even when it is still fairly close. And so it seems to many astrologers. Make up your own minds with your own experience.

At any rate, here are the basic relationships and how they affect the reading of the chart.

0° - conjunction: right on top of each other. At this point the energies of the 2 planets hold their own but they also combine to create a 3rd description. For example: a common conjunction is Mercury (communication) and Neptune (imagination). First read each planet individually; then read the combined energy: imaginative thinking. This person may create pictures in their head and then live as though they reflect real life. What house is it in? In 1st house – visions of themselves? Could be inflated ego or lack of self-worth. In 4th house? Could be total idolization of the parent involved or possibly a questionable set of family rules? Depends on the situation.

60° - sextile. A favorable aspect generally, with the 2 planets involved working together harmoniously. Sun in Leo in the 9th sextile Mercury in Libra the 11th might indicate a person who has learned a lot from higher education and presents it in a clear and proper manner to others. A professor? A minister? A tour guide? This person can talk to anyone and be understood.

90° - square. Remember your geometry? Squares are rigid structures. The 2 sides never come together. You can use one energy or the other and switch back and forth, but you can’t use both together in any good way. Imagine Saturn (desire to accumulate money) in Capricorn (trying to get a promotion) in the 2nd house (to build security) square Neptune (desire to create beauty in the world) in the 5th house (to express his inner love of nature) in Aries (wants to paint in the middle of the day for good light). Does he go to work or stay home? He can’t do both at the same time. He can do one weekdays and the other weekends, perhaps. But he has to make choices. And choices spur people to action. Traditionally they are call hard or difficult or bad, but only because they require the individual to expend energy and take risks when making decisions. With rare exceptions, both sides involved are in the same energy pattern: fixed, cardinal, or mutable. Squares of fixed signs are the most difficult to work with.

120° - trine. A harmonious aspect in which the energy between two aspects flows with great harmony. Imagine a sextile on steroids. Both sides of the trine are of the same element: earth, air, fire, or water, so there is no resistance to the flow of energy. No effort is involved in the transfer. This is why traditionally it has been called a good or easy aspect. But because no effort is involved, nothing gets done, changes don’t get made, and opportunities may pass without any taking advantage of them.

180° - opposition. Two planets on the opposite sides of the chart. Picture two children on a teeter-totter on a playground. Each one wants their own way. But in this case, there is an opportunity for compromise, for finding a common middle ground, for balance, if only the two sides can find it in their own positions to give up something, whether it is territory or money or a principle or even just some ego.

Now please see what you can do with your own charts or those of your family or friends. Please feel free to ask questions.


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Oh well crap, I must be ahead of myself....I had it in my head that the new lesson had already been posted (as in 'another' one...LOL) but I already have this one, I just need to sit down and really get it into my head. Geez, I've lost all track of time the past few days here and haven't taken the time to really sit down and absorb all of it and combine it with what came before. That is TOO funny, re: the banks of computer screens! LMAO I can also empathize with the keyboard, but not for the same reason, since my laptop is really kinda 'old', according to the electronic universe. But I have used it SO much that I have literally worn the letters right off the danged keys in some cases, and have noticed here lately that some of the keys (the 'e' for one....) I have to hit twice in order for it to register, which is really irritating. When I go to post something, like the readings, where I am going by a book, I have a tendency to just look at the writing as I am typing, as in the old-style secretarial type of typing.....and then when I look back at the screen, I have to go back and fill in half of the 'e' s because they didn't come thru as I was so busily typing and looking at the page I was typing from.....uuuuuugghhhh. LOL

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