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It must be, or at least they look really tiny, compared to that leaf, don't they? I'd love to see that in person, what a sight that'd be....we sure live in a wondrous world, don't we? Such intricacy and complexity, in the tiniest of things. It's a true marvel. Kinda gives me a new appreciation even for the more mundane species of mosses, after reading this....

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Thanks for that Gail. I showed it to Iain and he was as amazed as me at the description and with the pic. It must be tiny though as that is an old leaf in the foreground.

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I found this online, Sally....

"I want to know all God's thoughts; all the rest are just details." ~~ Albert Einstein

"Consciousness, seeking to know itself, therefore knows you....Each consciousness is, therefore, cherished and individually protected."~~Seth

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A very enlightening piece Gail and your writer would have a field day over here. Not only loads of mosses but lichens growing on the trees and the walls too. It's a never ending battle to keep pathways safe for walking though and I can't even try the chemicals if I wanted to because it has been so wet. On the other hand that cave does sound awesome. I would like to see some pics of that, I just don't want all that moss on my doorstep, lol.

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Thank you for posting this. It's a reminder that I'm letting my mental discipline slip. Living with the moss can be somewhat less than wonderful. It gets onto and into everything outside - the trees and even the grass, where it will take over and kill the grass.Too much of a good thing. But I will take these words to heart and keep trying to see the good in it.

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I'm posting this because it's so beautiful and it made me think of Carol and Sally and their moss! LOL A botanist named Robin Wall Kimmerer wrote a book titled 'Gathering Moss; a Natural and Cultural History of Mosses' and on top of being a botanist who studied various species of mosses, she was quite the poet, apparently.

"Mosses, to be sure, are scientifically impressive beyond measure -- the amphibians of vegetation, they were the first plants to emerge from the ocean and conquer the land; they number some 22,000 species, whose tremendous range of size parallels the height disparity between a blueberry bush and a redwood; they inhabit nearly every ecosystem on earth and grow in places as diverse as the branch of an oak and the back of a beetle. But beyond their scientific notoriety, mosses possess a kind of lyrical splendor that Kimmerer unravels with enchanting elegance -- splendor that has to do with what these tiny organisms teach us about the art of seeing." ~~ taken from Brain Pickings at brainpickings.org

"The combination of circumstances which allows it to exist at all are so implausible that the Schistostega is rendered much more precious than gold. Goblins' or otherwise. Not only does its presence depend on the coincidence of the cave's angle to the sun, but if the hills on the western shore were any higher the sun would set before reaching the cave......its life and ours exist only because of a myriad of synchronicities that bring us to this particular place at this particular moment. In return for such a gift, the only sane response is to glitter in reply." (Kimmerer)

The species of moss she is writing of only grows in caves....and the way they grow is to catch the reflections of the sun on the water of the lake outside the cave, and the mosses themselves then glow like little lights inside the cave.

"Each filament is a strand of individual cells strung together like beads shimmering on a string. The walls of each cell are angled, forming interior facets like a cut diamond. It is these facets which cause Shistostego to sparkle like the tiny lights of a faraway city. These beautifully angled walls capture traces of light and focus it inward, where a single large chloroplast awaits the gathering beam of light. Packed with chlorophyl ad membranes of exquisite complexity, the chloroplast converts the light energy into a stream of flowing electrons. This is the electricity of photosynthesis, turning sun into sugar , spinning straw into gold." (Kimmerer)

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Thanx, Carol.....I have gotten into such mind bending stuff these past two years, it almost makes me a bit dizzy. Concepts I actually had never even considered before, etc....it's been a real expansion of thinking, BUT a lot more confusion in some respects, too. And you're right, I'm like everyone else, I kinda sift thru it all and hang onto the things that 'speak' to myself and my own psyche, and that's really all any of us CAN do, I think....it's SO fun to delve into this crap. LOL I think, sometimes, that some things 'speak' to me only because of personal experiences I've had that I could not explain to myself at the time, and so when I happen across concepts that do seem to give me reasonable or seemingly 'accurate' explanations ('accurate' to 'me', I mean....or 'feeling' accurate...) then I tend to file that away and hang onto it in my head.....

I often wonder to myself what on earth I would have thought of all this stuff if I'd happened across it in my younger years.....so much of it seems to make sense to me *now*.....but I think back then I might have thought "OMG, what the hell...." and tossed it away. It's like the longer I am alive, the more open I seem to be re: alternative concepts or things I've never heard of before, as far as investigating them. I think I've just never been quite satisfied with the usual explanations or dogmas.....they never seemed to adequately answer so many of the questions I've carried around. I've often been afraid to even ask the questions for fear of being ridiculed, but I think that also goes away as we gain more and more experiences and such, and the further we get away from that need to 'fit in' with the prevailing stuff, maybe....we do tend to kind of 'come into our own' as we age, I think.

I was always fascinated with the concept of other lives, too, but I actually was not able to fully even believe in that at all, until the Seth material....so that was huge, for me, because it seemed like such legitimate and relevant stuff to me that it managed to blow away my reservations re: things like reincarnation, etc. Perhaps the biggest reason I am delving into all of this alternative stuff now is after living a life where I became one of the 'condemned' ones in the eyes of society......and something inside of me always told me it wasn't true because I 'felt' God every bit as much after as I had before....I always knew there was *something* there that loved me no matter 'who' I was, ya know? And I also knew that I was never able to find any real satisfaction or fulfillment in earthly relationships at all.....every single thing that you *think* is gonna make you *happy* in this life pretty much doesn't, in so many ways.....and it was not until delving into this that also prompted me to delve into myself....and then everything else began to make sense entirely. Now the superficial hassles of dealing with earthly life doesn't matter at all, because it has allowed me to find that 'place' inside where everything is peaceful, nothing else seems to matter, and all of the life stuff is just teaching tools.....every single thing related to this life is totally temporary....nothing at all stays the same from one day to the next, there is always some upheaval or another, and to get caught up in all that does nothing but throw you off balance and into either the doldrums or the recriminations and all of that.....just stress. And I was really tired of the stress, period....and never understanding that I was the source of all of my own stress.

I think, sometimes, that underneath it all, I am feeling that my time here is coming to a close and I am determined to seek out as many answers as I can to prepare myself for what is to come, and a bid to make the last of it so much happier than the first and the middle, because when I looked back in my memory, I generally saw very little that was genuinely 'happy'----what parts of it seemed to be were very transitory and I always felt that there was something 'more' that I had missed in the whole equation back then and so handicapped myself in my own blindness......and I didn't want to continue that blindness, I think, going forward.....


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Gail, sorry I'm a little slow getting to this posting. Many concepts of time have been put forward across the years. Which one is "right or wrong" seems to be a matter of what any particular person is choosing to accept. Time moving forward? Time moving backward? All time is synchronous (everything happening at once)? Time is an illusion? Time is related to whatever dimension we are in? Do we create new dimensions every time we make a decision, starting us on new paths? Or are dimensions fixed: height, width, depth, time? All these and so many more options to consider!

I've been interested in the concept of past lives for decades - but only as they affect how I live my life now. In the reality I currently inhabit I have to take one day at a time. If I decide to accept the concept of life beyond this reality then I adjust my current behaviors to contribute to better outcomes when I leave this one. Likewise for astrology: I can explore the patterns in the sky, the ones in peoples' lives, the ones of my own experiences, and see if/how they connect.

It sounds as though you have found writings that speak to you and it's always interesting to learn other people's thoughts and viewpoints. I appreciate you sharing yours. I especially appreciate your enthusiasm and sense of wonder as you move forward in your exploration.

Many years ago my first husband and I took some classes in psychic development. The teacher was a gifted psychic and often relayed messages for the people around him. He was aware of free will and the possibilities that circumstances would change so that his "predictions" would not occur, so he would add, "It will be interesting to see what happens." I've adopted that to many circumstances. Ultimately I think we can read and study in many directions, but ultimately it will be interesting to see what happens. Thanks to everyone here for being along on this journey.


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Wow, I'm just now seeing this, that book sounds wonderful, Carol, I'm also gonna check that out. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. I know I've read some of that research fella's stories but I can't remember now 'where' I read them at, whether they were online articles or if maybe I've actually maybe read some of his books about his research. He did some really in depth work, tho, and I remember people really pooh poohing it along the way.

I'm posting here today only 'cause I restarted that first Miracles book that I started awhile ago but never really got thru...it's really hard reading for me, and I think that's only because it's hard for me to get around my own ego, so my mind sort of 'rebels' at certain things, especially certain religious things, because of my own skepticism and experiences.....really hard to 'open' that ego box in your head, especially when, like me, you've spent a lifetime cultivating it and depending on it in a really ego-centered way.....but going in, I found something that surprised me, and that I also don't *remember* reading the first time...

"The Garden of Eden, or the pre-separation, was a state of mind in which nothing was needed. When Adam listened to the 'lies of the serpent', all he heard was untruth. You do not have to continue to believe what is not true unless you choose to do so. All that can literally disappear in the twinkling of an eye because it is merely a misperception. What is seen in dreams seems to be very real. Yet the bible says that a deep sleep fell upon Adam, and nowhere is there reference to him waking up. The world has not yet experienced any comprehensive reawakening or rebirth. Such a rebirth is impossible as long as you continue to project or miscreate. It still remains within you to extend as God extended His Spirit to you. In reality this is your only choice, because your free will was given you for your joy in creating the perfect.

All fear is ultimately reducible to the basic misperception that you have the ability to usurp the power of God. Of course, you neither can nor have been able to do this. Here is the real basis for your escape from fear. The escape is brought about by your acceptance of the Atonement, which enables you to realize that your errors never really occurred. Only after the deep sleep fell upon Adam could he experience nightmares."
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I kept going over and over this in my head last night....as I read further, I discovered something else that I hadn't caught the first time. If I'm understanding this right, time-wise, we actually ARE 'working backwards', according to the take of this book...... I remember we once spoke in the chat thread about some experiments scientists had done awhile ago, and the results caused them to speculate that, since our bodily functions actually seem to react somehow to external circumstances before our minds do, that our 'inner' functions seem to be somehow 'ahead' of our psychological ones....in that our autonomous systems react to what we perceive essentially as the 'future', and that it somehow 'knows' more than we do in our heads, consciously......

But if what this book seems to be saying is anywhere true.....it actually means that everything that was determined to happen, both in our lives, and in our world/universe, etc. has already occurred.....and that we are actually working our way backwards, back to that state that mankind experienced in the Garden of Eden state of mind.....as in slowly 'waking up' from the dream that occurred when Adam fell asleep....and that there is really no reason to worry about ANYTHING, on our parts, in relation to the world or anything else, because it's already been accomplished in whole..... ????? I wouldn't mind anyone else's input on this....I 'feel' like I'm interpreting this correctly, as in what the book is trying to say.....but gosh...it's so mind-bending, I'm not sure what to think of it all....if it's really true, then it's such a wonderful thing....and it would explain so much, in relation to the happenings of the world, etc., and also so many of the scientific experiments and revelations they've had along the way....but it requires such a total mind shift in how we view it all, it's a really foreign concept, earth-logic-wise.......

My mind keeps going over some of the NDEs I've read along the way....the only one I can remember off the top of my head is the one by Jung. The way he described his overall feeling was that what he was seeing was in the vein of what he called a 'fait accompli'----as tho everything had already been done, and was finished.....and there have been several others who have commented on having this same sentiment....so.....do you think it might be true, guys??? And if so.....gosh.....it makes almost every human problem that we consider so important or serious kind of a moot point, in a way..... ???

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Thank you for posting this Carol, especially when you're not feeling too well.

I've taken a note of the title as it sounds very interesting. I'll try my library van first to see if they have it and if not I'll try Amazon. It's amazing the way different parts of the world all have common threads in their religious and historic memories. I've been watching an anthropology series here. The last one was the common features found in Inuit people, North American Indians and the tribes in Mongolia. She discovered that the people from Asia seem to have crossed over, not over ice, as was previously thought but by boat. Presumably their thoughts ideas and beliefs would be carried with them. And of course people further south must have been able to travel in the same way so maybe that's how the common thread occurs. One knows about and it's carried all over.


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It has been a long time since I posted on this thread. Then I found this book - it sort of called to me from a shelf at the store. In some ways it is a tough read and it can have its tedious moments. I don't necessarily recommend it as the sort of reading everybody should do, but I found a different perspective that I wanted to offer.

OLD SOULS by Tom Shroder Published in 1999

Many of us have heard of the late Dr. Ian Stevenson and the pioneering work he performed interviewing children who claim to remember past lives. This book is written by a journalist who traveled with Dr. Stevenson for a year on follow-up trips that Stevenson made to see what effect the memories had on the children’s current lives as they have gotten older. Often Dr. Stevenson was criticized for the work he did, usually by people who did not understand his methods, his motivations, or the care he took in both conducting is work and reporting on it.

Tom Shroder wanted to understand more about Dr. Stevenson and his research. The book is filled with finely detailed descriptions of the hardships Stevenson endured to find and interview these individuals, their families, and the families they claimed to be connected to. Shroder describes the hours-long, bone jarring car rides through war-torn Lebanon and poverty-ridden India in mind-bending detail. Shroder observes the reactions of the various characters in each scenario with a critical eye, trying to maintain a journalist’s objectivity while also maintaining his personal emotional balance. The reader can never be sure of the direction he will take with his final conclusions.

For me the greatest value of this work was seeing other parts of the world through new eyes and being confronted with the circumstances of lives I can’t even begin to imagine – and then seeing how – incredibly! - these circumstances do not limit the vision and creativity and dreams of so many of these people.

Most of us who read books of this genre are already connected to the concepts of reincarnation and past-life memories. The value here is seeing how pervasive this connection is, how common the memories are for many people, and the human connections that bind us regardless of our circumstances


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Sally, this author does say that some people experience darkness but not in an evil way, more as just a temporary neutral kind of place. I'll try to find some of his descriptions tomorrow. Today was chaotic - see the general discussion thread.

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From everything I've read, Sally, it seems that you kinda 'meet' what you believe you're gonna 'meet' when you go to that great beyond.....if people believe they will be met by Jesus or another religious figure, then they are met by someone in that particular vein, and if they believe that they will go to a fiery hell or meet some ferocious demon, then they will see that, too.....until they realize that they are coming face to face with only their own beliefs, at which time they will see more accurately. But there are always helpful entities there waiting to assist them and teach them. And their own illusions are not permanent. The NDE book written by that neurosurgeon says that he found himself in a murky gray area for what seemed like a long time...it wasn't scary, it was just a 'nothing' kind of feeling, like he was lying in mud, with no name and no knowledge of who he was or where he was supposed to go. I don't remember, but I'm thinking that during the whole course of his NDE, he did not ever remember who he was, himself. But after coming back, later down the road, he discovered that the beautiful young girl who finally came along and then accompanied him around to different realms and encouraged him was actually a biological sister of his that he had never met before she had died. He happened across a picture of her some time after having the experience and that was when he realized who the pretty young woman was.

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Thank you for posting this. It's really interesting Carol. More info would be great. I'm sure I read somewhere though, that not everyone has a good experience. There are some people who sense total darkness apparently. Is there any mention of anything like that in the book? have you heard anything like that elsewhere?

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Awesome! Can't wait to hear more about this! Thanx for posting!

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I just wanted to jump in with a short item. I have been reading yet another book on Near Death Experiences. This one is a little more clinical, noting the types of details that seem common to the experiences in particular. Also, he accepted traumatic events that were technically not NDEs but because of the intensity of the experience functioned the same way. What I found more interesting, however, was this author's insistence that one key defining factor was a combination of various after-effects, changes in peoples lives and behaviors and beliefs that seemed common to most of them in varying combinations. The following list is not exhaustive but includes most of the ones he found most common. If you believe you have had one (or more) of these experiences you might want to compare your events and/or changes with the list.


Abstracted from “Near-Death Experiences” by P.M.H. Atwater
Pages 72-81

Physiologic changes: more sensitive to light (especially sunlight) and to sound (tastes in music change); look younger/act younger/more playful; look older/act more mature; more introspective; changes in thought processing (switch from sequential/selective thinking to clustered/abstraction, with an acceptance of ambiguity; insatiable curiosity; lower blood pressure; brighter skin and eyes;less tolerance of pharmaceuticals; heal quicker.

Psychological after effects: loss of the fear of death, become more spiritual/less religious; more generous and charitable, more philosophical, more open and accepting of the new and different; disregard for time and schedules; more psychic/intuitive.


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It seems to be the kind of book that generates a lot of discussion. We all agreed that of the books we have read so far, this is the one we've talked about the most so even those who didn't enjoy it still found plenty in it to make them stop and think. The next one up for discussion could well be completely different though. I'm still reading it yet so I have to reserve judgement on it.

The business that's trying to reach out to people seems to be a good idea too and if its on Undercover Boss it must be a fairly big business so their method is working. I mean, when someone comes into your shop you don't ask them what their sexual preferences are before serving them you just go ahead and serve. That's as it should be too.

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I'm glad that at least on the media, some minds seem to be opening up in this regard. You know all the brouhaha going on right now with the ridiculous bathroom disputes. LOL And it's all just a big to-do about *equipment*, mostly geared to portray trans people as would-be predators, when anyone with a sane, rational mind knows it's not true. We define sexuality in this culture based only upon a penis or a vagina.....when in reality, sexuality is predominantly created via the mind. It's not the equipment, it's the mind behind the equipment that people need to be concerned about. The equipment is a moot point, generally. The mere fact of having a penis does not equate to being a predator....it is the predatory mind that creates the predator. Problem is....people can't 'see' the mind and intent....so they concentrate on the external differences that they can see and assign the *blame* only to that. People are so busy concentrating on the 'penis' part that they completely slide by the fact that it's not what should concern anyone at all. The vast majority of sexual predators are heterosexual. A trans female is just a plain old girl, in her mind.....nothing more. And that's all she wants to be, and wants to be considered. So a trans female is about as interested in preying on women or girls as you or Sally or any other straight woman.....which is not at all. But yet they are the ones who are the victims in this bathroom brouhaha. I mean, really....what are they gonna do, create a 'genital police squad' to inspect everyone's equipment?? It's ludicrous. Meanwhile, in Ky., a woman was beaten up, while people stood around and watched (and did nothing to help), by a guy who thought she looked too 'dykey'. Good gawd...so this brouhaha takes the public focus completely off of the real predators and only turns the public hate, ire, and attention, once again, to gay or trans people who are no threat to anyone. I keep wondering when people are going to realize the damage they are doing...

So what state was Hamburger Mary in, Carol? I would love that!! Bonzo usually watches that Undercover Boss show but she hasn't here lately, for some reason. I'll have to tell her about that episode. Yes, this book has generated some real conversation, hasn't it? LOL It was a good book, I thought, but then I approach it also from my side of the fence....it is not a book I would think most straight people would like because it speaks of homosexual sex and issues in the way that regular books speak of hetero sex, as in it being nothing to make any ado about, and most straight people would find that abhorrent because of our overall culture regarding those things. Most of all, it treated all of the characters very compassionately, no matter who they were, which was really nice. Jenny's mom was a gypsy sort, with multiple male partners and apparently quite a drinking problem. LOL And yet, she was included in the neighborhood doings and the other characters protected her, and watched out for her, merely because they understood she was the way she was because of her own demons and they made no moral judgment on any of it. They just did what they thought was right out of concern for her, and that was all. I think that was the nicest part of the book overall....it cited merely human emotions and actions, but with no moral judgement whatsoever, only compassion. It was a refreshing little read. It encapsulated loss, false guilt, metaphysical/out-of-the-norm experiences that were significant to the situations of the people involved, and all thru, it was just a bird's eye view into the underlying emotions that created the outward actions, and compassion for all of it, both inner and outer. It was a very nice read. I loved it.

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Every now and then you hear about a place where people can just be themselves. Last night we were watching Undercover Boss and they featured the owners of a company called Hamburger Mary. I never heard of them before. The owners are a pair of twin gay males who bought the franchise and rebranded it. They feature all kinds of gay and transgender folks on their staff and many of the outlets put on full choreographed shows. But it is open to everyone and they welcome family members of all ages, always focusing on high quality food and beverages and service. Hubby and I thought the network was quite forward thinking in featuring such a non-traditional company. As I've mentioned before, I have a trans-gender person in my extended family plus several close gay friends, so I was especially happy to see the openness and acceptance they are promoting. Sally and Gail, isn't it amazing how many thoughts this book has generated!


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Heck no, I don't mind, feel free, this is a public forum so that makes it fair game to everyone. You don't even have to ask, Sally, go right ahead. Hope it doesn't offend any of 'em, altho I dunno why it would. I'm not sure why the book struck me as it did.....what I can say is that I have had those sorts of unexplainable but emotional ties to people like the author described.

I think the author treated the subjects of gayness and bisexuality very kindly and in a really healthy manner....it's just the stuff of life, nothing more. I liked how she portrayed the husband in this story....despite his flaws, he had to be a very secure man to acknowledge, understand, and accept the emotional interplay between his gay sister and his wife, and to find no sort of threat in that kind of scenario, because in truth, there is no threat at all. It is nothing more than normal human emotion and human curiosity, just learning and sorting and testing. And the emotional connection among such varied but compassionate and caring people was kind of refreshing to me because you very rarely see that sort of sane and balanced behavior among humans in general. If there really was a place, and people, like that, I would like to live there myself. LOL But in reality, that is the way that it should be everywhere. I would like to think that somewhere *out there*, there really are people like that, who merely accept people as they are, with compassion for their foibles, and appreciating their good qualities without any sort of moral judgement concerning anything else having to do with them. And protecting them merely because they know they are vulnerable and it's the right thing to do....that would be nice. But I do appreciate you telling me about the book, it was a really good read, to me.



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I'm glad you enjoyed it and that you managed to find a copy for .30c. Bargains are always good, books seem better, food tastes better etc.

Would you mind if I showed your comments to the book club members? I think it could be beneficial to them to see the point of view of someone totally out of their normal circle of friends.

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Well, this is so funny, Sally....I was so intrigued by it (and to be honest, the title itself kinda 'grabbed' me...) that I ended up sending off for the book myself. I found a used copy for sale on amazon marketplace for only .30, and when we got home from the recital yesterday, we checked our mail and the book had arrived. I ended up sitting down after that and reading the entire thing. It occurred to me that this is the first fiction book I have read since I was a child....

And I cried thru the whole flippin' thing! LMAO Lots of it struck a little too close to home for me, but the emotional content struck a huge chord with me. Lemme verbalize how it struck my own particular psyche.....this is just how it affected me, personally, because of the way my own mind seems to work....

It was like a book of secrets....all the secrets, the buried sorrows and fears, that underlie the surface actions that people perform. The well-meaning intent that does not adequately translate to the actions themselves, if you know what I mean. And the odd and miraculous little happenings that occur in the course of your life that you note, and that have such heavy significance to your heart and your mind, but that are so out of the accepted norm that if you speak of them to people, they assume you are either mentally ill or just plain insane. And the unknown/unvoiced parts of yourself that create distances between you and others that affect your interactions with others in ways that you don't understand and in ways that provoke your superficial actions to be polar opposite....the incongruency between your actions and the emotions that underlie them. And the overall components of life that tend to cause damage inside of all of our psyches that we suppress, at the time, in order to carry on in our daily lives, but how the suppressed things just pop out later in funny ways in other scenarios, causing us to realize they are still there and need to be finally dealt with . And definitely yes....the manner in which we are able to eventually process these things to find our own healing and ability to go on, maybe, to find our peace with them within ourselves.....but with the buried guilt driving you to odd extremes and emotions in the meantime, while you are still running from them.

I am not sure if this is what the author intended to portray, but these are the things that the book portrayed to me, and my own manner of thinking....

I did not find it at all unusual, the little neighbor girl visiting with the elderly neighbor. I did that myself, altho I was older, I think I was about 12, maybe. It was after my dad had remarried, and we'd moved to the final house my parents bought before they retired and moved to Florida. There was an old couple across the street, and I don't even remember how I became acquainted with them....?? Somehow or other, the elderly gent became aware of my fascination with rocks, crystals, etc. He was a huge rock and mineral buff, he had a whole work bench in his basement with cubby holes filled with uncut minerals and gems, etc., and he had a black light. His wife was always there, they were both retired, but he would ask me to come over and we would go down into the basement and he would get out his rock collection and we would actually examine them beneath the black light....it was fascinating, I loved it. He was a literal fountain of knowledge about that stuff. He would explain to me what compounds were in the rocks, gems, etc. that caused them to luminesce under the black light, and we would spend hours examining different rocks under that black light. He gave me an uncut garnet (because garnet is my birth stone) that I actually still have in my jewelry box.

But I quit going there one day and I can't tell you why. ?? Mind you, this man did not ever say or do one thing out of bounds to me, that I remember. By the same token, I also have to say that when I think back to it all, the feeling that I have is that I quit going over either because something in myself told me there was maybe *something else* to it all that was not all that good, or *not right*, or possibly his wife or someone else began to think there was some component to it all that might not be quite healthy or something....but the actual details are completely fuzzy to me now, it's been so many years. It was not something I felt any desire to 'hide' from anyone, my parents knew that I was going over and so did my neighborhood friends. And I can't remember if I put a halt to going over there myself, or if someone else did....I don't remember ever speaking to the old guy, anymore, after a time. So the details are really lacking now. But I really liked the old fella. LOL I cannot remember his name now to save me....it seems like it's right on the tip of my brain but I just can't retrieve it right now...I'll have to think about it, it'll come back to me eventually. Seems to me their last name began with a B...I don't think I ever knew their first names, I never called adults by their first names back then, it just *wasn't done*, if ya get my drift.

In stewing on this more, seems to me that that his wife is the one who began to make me feel uncomfortable.....I seem to somehow remember picking up on some 'vibes' from her that led me to feel that she somehow did not like my coming over, possibly because of how others might perceive it, or perhaps a suspicion on her own part that maybe the old fella was becoming too attached or close or something, that possibly there was an unhealthy component to it.....dammit, I wish I could remember the details. LOL But the more I think about it, the more I seem to think that I was the one who pretty much backed off from it all because of how I began to feel in relation to how she began to act toward me. I perceived that there was 'something there' that could be perceived as a 'problem', even tho I myself do not remember any problem with it, but whatever it was, it made me feel self-conscious and that there was just something 'not quite right' about it all on their part, whether the 'not right' was her perception or possibly something 'not right' about him, maybe, that she picked up on.....either way, I'm thinking that's the reason I quit going over so much. But I stayed friendly with them both, just not *AS* friendly, I guess.

But I really liked the book...I may have to read it again. LOL It was an inordinately *human* book, I think.......a very human look at all of the ways we connect, on a buried level, with those around us, that help us to sort thru our own feelings about how we view other people, and what needs, within ourselves (and vice versa), those other people fulfill, or don't fulfill, and how we work around those or resolve them, either in healthy ways or not-so-healthy ways....and the emotional ties we create with others that we can't even fully explain to ourselves a lot of times, the buried things within ourselves that bind us to others that we all subconsciously 'recognize' in each other that then attract or repel on an outward level.....why we are close to some and repelled by others, and vice versa....and why we also have the fleeting and situational connections with people that serve a momentary lack or need or angst but are not meant to be 'lasting' things at all. And what might be truly lasting, after all.

Thank you so much for telling us about this book, Sally!!! I did not mean to monopolize this thread or the discussion at all....I was just so struck by the book in general. Ever since you first mentioned it, it struck something in my head that I couldn't put down just after hearing the title of it. I can't begin to tell you how many similarities in this book keyed in with instances in my own life, it was actually a bit eerie in some ways. Sorry....I think I'm done now. LMAO Geeeez...

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It is very difficult to get a hold on Gail. The reason for the bit sounding old fashioned is because it begins in 1968, when the girl is about 6 or 7. So the moral attitudes are very much in keeping with that period. That was one of the things we discussed in depth at the book club. Would parents have allowed access to an elderly neighbour like that etc.

The book goes through a whole sort of childhood period before moving to Part 2 which begins in the 1990s. Brother and sister are now adults. The culmination of the book, as far as I was concerned, and what I felt the whole thing was leading up to, was the brothers supposed death in the Twin Towers disaster. Apparently the author got an awful lot of criticism for utilising that disaster for her book and some of the members wondered why she had used it too. As I said, I felt that was what the book was about. A family, who have problems of various sorts but still manage to cope with them and survive. It's not until a really major event happens that reality strikes home. Not everyone agreed on this and found the whole book to be disjointed and difficult to read. I certainly wouldn't have chosen it myself but it was interesting seeing how she coped with all the things that happened throughout her life. (The brother wasn't in the building by the way but it takes a while for him to be found). There was an awful lot more to it than I've put in here and if one is interested in how a person copes with things it can be interesting reading.

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Wow, talk about jumping back and forth and having multiple plot lines....is it hard to follow? Was it written a long time ago? I remember 'back in the day', even tho things like child molestation and child abuse certainly happened, it was such a taboo subject to speak of, and even in writings, it was only *hinted* at....was almost like people hesitated to even verbalize those things. There were a lot of secrets, in prior generations, with social etiquette being what i was 'back in the day'. But I much prefer the times today, when people put it out there and spotlight things they consider injustices and wrongs. So many of us think fondly of times past, comforting ourselves with the thought that all these terrible things were less prevalent and 'didn't happen as often as they do today'......but this sort of thing has always been alive and well. It was just considered poor taste to speak of it, which only allowed the abusers to abuse without reprisal. Not to mention the prevailing attitudes back then toward women and children in general, as far as husbands or men being the 'rulers' of the household, which made some of them feel they could do as they pleased without anyone having a right to say anything about it because they essentially 'ruled' the wife and kids, so they had to just do as they were told. My parents were still of that sort of mindset, I never did agree with it all. It made me mad whenever I would hear my parents gossiping about this person or that person, knowing full well the person was not doing what was right, but then being adamantly opposed to saying one word about it to anyone else. Their premise was that old 'it's none of your business' and not socially acceptable to make any commentary on such goings on, except in private to your immediate spouse or family. Seemed to me all that did was give the person carte blanche to keep doing whatever they were doing 'cause they knew nobody had the damned guts to check them on it in front of anyone else. Secrets only thrive in the dark.

But thanx for posting this for us, Sally, feel free to post more, it sounds kind of intriguing. LOL

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Brief update on the Rabbit. LOL. Ellie, the little girl appears to have been sexually abused by the old man although nothing explicit is actually said. Big brother Adam, deals with it and again nothing is said as to how or if he told their parents. It didn't seem as though the parents ever new anything about it. Father has big hangups about his work, he's a lawyer and eventually we find out he won a case for an abuser, he thought was innocent. fine until the end of the trial when he realises his client was guilty all along. This really upsets him and seems to be why he no longer believes in God. He also thinks he's a total loser who never wins anything until one day he wins the football pools, a bit like the lottery. He insists it is kept secret and refuses to tell anyone then one day he turns up with a beautiful silver Mercedes. His wife goes ape-s..t at him and threatens to walk out unless he returns it. ????? Anyway he decides to chuck his job and they buy a house in Cornwall with the intention of setting up a B&B. Ellie meantime makes friends with a new girl who comes to their area and they become BFF, literally. Big brother has a new friend too that Ellie fancies too. Hard luck big bro becomes his lover but they are all best friends. then Charlie, the boyfriend has to leave as his father has a new job in Dubai so goodbye Charlie for a while. He comes back later when he is kidnapped by blackmailers who cut off his ear. (I said it was a weird book). This is a very disjointed book with very few explanations of why or where or how things happen. There's more if your still interested.

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LMAO! Sounds like my kinda book, Sally! I'd like to hear more, I dunno about anyone else! LOL I might have to check that one out, it sounds intriguing!

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I will have to put this in from memory only as the book has been returned. The title is 'When God was a Rabbit' and it was written by Sarah Winman.

I have to admit it is not my first choice as a book to read for entertainment and if it hadn't been on the Book Club list I wouldn't probably have bothered with it. That said, it did have some very poignant bits in it. It starts in 1968 and it's about a young girl who, in her words, is weird. She has no friends and is very lonely but she has a great relationship with her brother. She is friendly with the old man who lives next door and visits him regularly. There is no mention of what happens in these visits, just that she goes. Her father is very anti-religion and often says 'there is no God' and he doesn't believe. Again there is no explanation at that point. Because she has no friends she gets a pet rabbit and asks if it could be God. She's told by her equally weird parents that she can call the rabbit what she likes. When she goes to school and tells her teacher the teacher goes off on an rant about blasphemy etc. When she goes home and tells the rabbit it talks to her.

I'm sure you can tell from this brief resume of the beginning it is an unusual book. We started off discussing why she was allowed to go next door to this neighbour without any apparent supervision or explanation as to why it was considered a reasonable option for a child with no friends and as for the talking rabbit the general consensus was it seemed to resemble 'an invisible friend', which two or three of the group admitted to either having or having a child who had one.

I'll pick it up to tomorrow if anyone wants to hear more about it.

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Love it, love it, love it. I'll have to pick these books up. I didn't know that, about his airplane accident and NDE! That's really, really interesting! And a spirit guide Shimoda? You'll have to tell us more about that, was that in his first book, too? This is awesome, thanx for posting!

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This is great, thank you for putting it up. The butterfly analogy is beautiful. I'll try to come on for longer tomorrow.

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"ILLUSIONS II: The Adventures of a Reluctant Student" was written 35 years after the original "ILLUSIONS" story was published. The author, Richard Bach, said he would never write another book like the original. Then in 2012 he was in a horrific airplane accident. He was making an approach for a landing when his wheels clipped some power lines. The plane nose dived and flipped and he was seriously injured. He spent a week in a coma, including a Near Death Experience "NDE" (which he experiences as a beautiful dream) that led to further slips into the "other worlds" and discussions with his old dog, his previous guide Don Shimoda from the original story, and even his airplane. The lessons from 35 years earlier picked up again. Bach credits his miraculous recovery to his wife who apparently shares his metaphysical views, as she kept repeating over and again, "You are a perfect expression of perfect Love, here and now." Apparently it is one they had shared before and she urged him to recognize and reintegrate it into his thinking. Of course he had to do real physical therapy and ingest several drugs for awhile in the process of recovering.

Here are a few of the thoughts that were set up for consideration:

God doesn't protect anyone. Everyone is already indestructible.

Before believing we choose what we want to believe. Then we test it for true.

Oh, the different consciousness between the grievinga and the dying! One sees midnight, the other joyful sunrise. One sees death, one sees Life as never before.

The world of space, time and appearances can be wondrous beautiful. Just don't mistake them for real.

The best we can do is lie our highest right, gracefully as we can, and let the Principle of Coincidence take it from there. [I find this personally interesting as I have been reading about coincidence and synchronicity in another book I'm working on.]

If this world is a fiction, then soon as we discover what's a fact, we've found our power over appearances.

and finally my favorite, included in both books:

What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly.

There are others, of course, and lots of thoughts in the prose portions. I'll put the book on the shelf and get on with my daily existence, but the lessons will be spinning through my head for some time to come.



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This sounds a very interesting book Carol. I especially liked the last observation, how true.

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Awesome! Thanx for posting this, Carol, this looks like a really good read! (My dad was a barnstormer in his youth, too). I might have to pick some of these up...looking forward to hearing more!

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Today I am going to post a short synopsis of the book ILLUSIONS: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach, author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull. The book is a basic story illustrating various principles that Bach sets out as guidelines. So I'll give you the story first and then a few excerpts from some of the lessons in a list. After many years Bach finally produced ILLUSIONS II, which I have ordered, so this is just a refresher to set the stage for that second book.

The book is set in an unspecified time but the author has been "barnstorming," which is landing a small private airplane in a field, camping around it for a few days, and taking people in the U.S. farming midwest for airplane rides for $3.00 per ride. So the approximate time has to be awhile back. One day the author (Bacn) meets another pilot, Donald Shimoda, who lives a similar lifestyle. The two of them pair up for a few days. Shimoda says he is a "Master” and he basically learned from a book which he lets the author read. The book is called "Messiah's Handbook, Reminders for the Advanced Soul." Bach questions and resists every step of the way but of course, in the end, he learns many of the lessons. When Bach gets to a point of having learned most of the material, Shimoda flies off and leaves him.

Here are a few of my favorite lessons from the book.
1. Your only obligation in any lifetime is to be true to yourself. Being true to anyone else or
anything else is not only impossible, but the mark of a fake messiah.
2. You teach best what you most need to learn.
3. There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek
problems because you need their gifts.
4. The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each
other’s life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.
5. The original sin is to limit the Is. Don’t.
6. Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you’re alive, it isn’t.

And in a wonderful display of synchronicity, as I was finishing this material the doorbell rang; it was the UPS driver delivering my new ILLUSIONS II book.


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I'm gonna post a few things from the Psycho-Cybernetics book. Just bear in mind that this thing was written back in the 60s, but it remains relevant for these days, also.

"Understanding the psychology of the self can mean the difference between success and failure, love and hate, bitterness and happiness. The discovery of the real self can rescue a crumbling marriage, recreate a faltering career, and transform victims of 'personality failure.' On another plane, discovering your real self means the difference between freedom and the compulsion of conformity." (T.F. James/Cosmopolitan/Jan. 1959)

"The most important psychological discovery of this century is the discovery of the 'self image'. Whether we realize it or not, each of us carries about with us a mental blueprint or picture of of ourselves. It may be vague and ill-defined to our conscious gaze. In fact, it may not be consciously recognizable at all. But it is there, complete down to the last detail. This self-image is our own conception of the 'sort of person I am.' It has been built up from our own beliefs about ourselves. But most of those beliefs about ourselves have unconsciously been formed from our past experiences, our successes and failures, our humiliations, our triumphs, and the way other people have reacted to us, especially in early childhood. From all these we mentally construct 'self' (or a picture of a self). Once an idea or a belief about ourselves goes into this picture, it becomes 'true', as far as we personally are concerned. We do not question its validity, but proceed to act upon it JUST AS IF IT WERE TRUE.

This self image becomes a golden key to living a better life because of two important discoveries:

1.) ALL YOUR ACTIONS, FEELINGS, BEHAVIORS---EVEN YOUR ABILITIES---ARE ALWAYS CONSISTENT WITH THIS SELF IMAGE. In short, you will 'act like' the sort of person you conceive yourself to be. Not only this, but you literally cannot act otherwise, in spite of all your conscious efforts or willpower. The man who conceives himself to be a 'failure-type person' will find some way to fail, in spite of all his good intentions, or his willpower, even if opportunity is literally dumped in his lap. The person who conceives himself to be a victim of injustice, one 'who was meant to suffer', will invariably find circumstances to verify his opinion.

The self-image is a premise, a base, or a foundation upon which your entire personality, your behavior, and even your circumstances are built. Because of this our experiences seem to verify, and thereby strengthen, our self-images and a vicious or beneficial cycle, as the case may be, is set up.

For example, a schoolboy who sees himself as an "F"-type student, or one who is 'dumb in mathematics', will invariably find that his report card bears him out. He then has 'proof'. A young girl who has an image of herself as the sort of person nobody likes will indeed find that she is avoided at the school dance. She literally invites rejection. Her woebegone expression, her hangdog manner, her over-anxiousness to please, or perhaps her unconscious hostility toward those she anticipates will affront her---all act to drive away those whom she would attract. In the same manner, a salesman or a businessman will also find that his actual experiences tend to 'prove' his self-image is correct.

Because of this objective 'proof' it very seldom occurs to a person that his trouble lies in his own self-image or his own evaluation of himself. Tell the schoolboy that he only 'thinks' he cannot master algebra, and he will doubt your sanity. He has tried and tried, and still his report card tells the story. Tell the salesman that is it only an 'idea' that he cannot earn more than a certain figure, and he can prove you wrong by his order book. He knows only all too well how hard he has tried and failed. Yet, as we shall see later, almost miraculous changes have occurred both in students' grades and in the earning capacity of salesmen when they were prevailed upon to change their self-image.

2.) THE SELF IMAGE CAN BE CHANGED. Numerous case histories have shown that one is never too young or too old to change his self image and thereby start to live a new life.

One of the reasons it has seemed so difficult for a person to change his habits, his personality, or his way of life has been that heretofore nearly all efforts at change have been directed to the circumference of the self, so to speak, rather than to the center. Numerous patients have said to me something like the following: "If you are talking about 'positive thinking', I've tried that before, and it just doesn't work for me." However, a little questioning invariably brings out that those individuals have employed 'positive thinking', or attempted to employ it, either on particular external circumstances, or on some particular habit or character defect. ("I will get that job", "I will be more calm and relaxed in the future", "This business venture will turn out right for me", etc.) But they have never thought to change their thinking about the 'self' that was to accomplish these things.

Jesus warned us about the folly of putting a patch of new material on an old garment, or of putting new wine into old bottles. "Positive thinking" cannot be used effectively as a patch or a crutch to the same old self image. In fact, it is literally impossible to really think positively about a particular situation as long as you hold a negative concept of your 'self.' And numerous experiments have shown that once the concept of self is changed, other things consistent with the new concept of self are accomplished easily and without strain.

One of the earliest and most convincing experiments along this line was conducted by the late Prescott Lecky, one of the pioneers in self-image psychology. Lecky conceived of the personality as a 'system of ideas', all of which MUST SEEM to be consistent with one another. Ideas that are inconsistent with the system are rejected, 'not believed', and not acted upon. Ideas that SEEM to be consistent with the system are accepted. At the very center of this system of ideas---the keystone---the base upon which all else is built, is the individual's 'ego ideal', his 'self image', or his conception of himself.

Lecky theorized that if a student had trouble learning a certain subject, it could be because (from the student's point of view) it would be inconsistent for him to learn it. Lecky believed, however, that if you could change the student's self-conception, which underlies this viewpoint, his attitude toward the subject would change accordingly. If the student could be induced to change his self-definition, his learning ability should also change. This proved to be the case. One student, who misspelled 55 words out of 100 and flunked so many subjects that he lost credit for a year, became one of the best spellers in the school and made an average of 91 in the next year. A boy who was dropped from one college because of poor grades entered Colombia and became a straight 'A' student. A girl who had flunked Latin four times, after three talks with the school counselor, finished with a grade of 84. A boy who was told by a testing bureau that he had no aptitude for English won honorable mention the next year for a literary prize.

The trouble with these students was not that they were dumb, or lacking in basic aptitudes. The problem was an inadequate self-image ("I don't have a mathematical mind"; "I'm just naturally a poor speller"). They 'identified' with their mistakes and failures. Instead of saying, "I failed that test" (factual and descriptive), they concluded, "I am a failure". Instead of saying "I flunked that subject", they said, "I am a flunk-out". For those who are interested in learning more about Lecky's work, I recommend securing a copy of his book, Self-Consistency: A Theory of Personality". (Note: This book is now out of print.)"

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I have no clue. LOL Let's see.....of this list, the ones that hit for me are:

1.) Low body temp.....that's how my parents knew I was actually sick, if I ran an actual fever, because my body temp generally hangs around 95 degrees routinely. The boy I used to take care of is the same, btw, so I don't know that this is particularly unusual. Plus I had thyroid problems as a youth, so that could explain that.

2.) I was what you would say *unexpected* as a child, but what adopted person can't say that??

3.) Tendency to operate on little sleep....yep, yep, and yep. 5 hours is my norm and when I feel my best, but then in the Seth books, this is cited as the ideal for everyone, so....

4.) Have no clue re: extra vertebrae or the rib thing, but did get a work physical once from a homeopath who asked me if I had migraines or frequent headaches (no to both) and when I said no, his remark was, "Well......you SHOULD...." He did not explain that remark, other than to comment that it was in reference to what he had noticed about my spine, and I didn't ask for any further clarification. LMAO My daughter and I do have scoliosis, but it has never bothered nor affected either of us.

5.) I did have a problem with the humidity and joints as a young teen and adult. Living in Washington about did me in, with all the rain over the winter months, but really, isn't EVERYONE like that??

6.) Have always felt I was not 'at home' here, period. But I also think a lot of people feel that way, too. As for the parent thing, well, what can I say....LOL My parents WEREN'T my *real* parents, so that was just a statement of fact. LOL

7.) Depends upon what is considered 'unusual', as far as blood type. I am RH negative, so had to have those injections with each pregnancy because my kids are both positive and hubby was positive. Funny thing with that, tho....I am A negative, hubs was A positive. NO fooling around whatsoever on my part, and yet when the military tested my son's blood, they somehow arrived at the idea that his blood type is O, which HAS to be a mistake, period. So that was what was listed on his dog tags, which I kept hounding him to pursue as far as correcting, but he never did. So that was a real concern to me, altho possibly they listed that on them because O is universal, as far as transfusion.....but that didn't make any sense to me, either. Seems like his genuine blood type should be listed on something as important as a dog tag, for pete's sake....thankfully it was not an issue while he was in the military and hopefully civilian docs are more accurate with those things.

8.) Have had that 'sense of urgency' and even a nudge with the 'NOW' thing...but only in reference to actions I was unsure of, as far as whether to proceed or not proceed. But I don't think that's really unusual, either.

9.) Suffered from a LOT of stiff necks as a child and young adult. Not so much now, just an occasional thing, and I usually attribute that to sleeping in a kinked position. LOL

10.) Hypersensitivity to individual senses or emotions....well, yeh, yeh, and yeh. I don't think that's particularly unusual, either, tho. I have several grandkids who are the same, in that regard, as are both of my kids. Biggest reason I avoid crowds, etc. It can be a bit disorienting to me, with the bombardment of being around so many people. Also why I've always lived in the country. Used to drive my parents insane as a kid 'cause they would have to drag me downstairs Christmas morning.....I fought it for all I was worth because there was always a lot of extended family around and I couldn't stand being in a room full of people nor could I ever stand feeling like the center of attention. I worked very hard to stay in the background, physically, hated to draw attention to myself.

11.) Ongoing sense of connection to spirit and (in my case a rabid) need to pursue spiritual understanding. Guilty as charged, BUT that is also something I attributed to more situational/environmental reasons, as in losing my mom so young, etc.--more so than I may have been apart from the life happenings. But like everyone else, I've always known God was 'there' and have talked to him all my life for as long as I can remember. As a child, I used to write poetry but the poetry was actually in the form or prayers and always directed toward God, versus anything or anyone 'here'.

No sinusitis, no headaches except VERY occasionally, no imaginary friends as a kid, and did not believe in reincarnation at all til just lately, no 'special messages' that I can ever remember. And B/P has always been within normal ranges, altho have always had a very low pulse, which was never an issue til I got older and the docs always key in on that now because they think of A-fib, etc. in older folk so it has suddenly become an **issue** whenever I have a physical. LOL My pulse generally runs around 40-50 BPM, which is pretty low for a female. I don't worry about it. And I have never considered myself psychic, per se, or particularly 'gifted' in that regard. I am, however, hyper-intuitive, nobody has ever been able to lie to me without my knowing they are lying, but how that is, I have no explanation whatsoever...it just is. I always, always know how someone feels toward me, no matter what they present externally. But truly, I think we ALL do that to one extent or another.

Just my own opinion, re: the star people stuff....after some of the reading I've been doing, I have a tendency now to wonder if the 'real' star children are not the massive groupings of autistic-oriented children that we have nowadays, versus any other time in our known history. I believe these children operate on a different 'plane' or 'level' and that the reason some of their behaviors seem so extreme or bizarre to us is because they are wired differently, as in keying into a different level of reality than what is presented to them here. Their behaviors and thinking patterns seem 'abnormal' to what we currently know, and the cultural norms of behaviors and thinking we have accepted. But if you read about the histories of some ancient cultures, spiritual awakenings and shaman abilities usually came about in people as a result of what appeared to be 'mental breakdowns' and a separation from the currently-accepted realities of the culture, and were recognized by the elder shamans, etc. as a spiritual awakening, versus an actual break from reality as we view it in this technological culture. I think we need a lot more shamans and a lot less technology, for a better world...more people in tune with other realities every bit as valid and sometimes far more advanced, spiritually, than what we have here today.

In the distant past, these occasions were not treated as abnormalities, and when children or adults would display what we classify as 'mental illness' today back then, the elders would step in and coach these kids or adults thru this period and see it for what it was....a heightening of reality. And then those people would become the next generation of shamans.

We take such a hard-line and *scientific* view of anything 'different' nowadays and our first course of action is to label it 'bad' or 'abnormal' and then immediately throw pills or therapy at it, versus approaching it from a spiritual standpoint. What we do is 'band aid' anything we don't understand, and classify it as *not normal*, when in reality, it may be a very normal thing. It's no wonder we label it 'bad', because these people are so immediately labeled as 'bad' or 'dangerous', and then in our mishandling, it becomes just that...dangerous for the people involved and dangerous for those around them, because we do not understand the process and then we stop it in its tracks, leaving the person to never come out the other side but to spend the rest of his/her life coping with not only the break itself, but also the assigned *band aid* to boot......not to mention the total cultural stigma they are then faced with that tells them they are 'bad', 'abnormal', to be 'feared'..... But it is the pathological connotation that we assign to it that creates this....if we approached these things from a spiritual base and, instead of trying to stop the process in its tracks, actually worked thru it from a spiritual basis, reinforcing to these people that they are genuinely good, there is nothing to fear about themselves or the behaviors, etc. and helped them to realize their highest potential instead of labeling them 'broken' for life....well, I think we could do a whole lot more good than we are doing now.

I keep going back, in my mind, to when Icecub read in our paranormal thread about some of us hearing the 'voices', etc. and her reaction to that....and she had every right to react as she did, because that is exactly what our psychology system dictates. Hearing voices is always pathological, and always a sign of some 'mental illness'......I don't know of even ONE psyche professional who does not react in that very same manner, because that is how our system is arranged. Same with the medical field. We slap band aids on symptoms and then find drugs to suppress the symptoms without ever going to the root of what may bring about those symptoms....it's all 'fix, fix, fix' what is labeled as 'broken'. But WE are the ones who do the labeling.

We seriously need to realize that we are not physical beings heading toward a spiritual experience upon 'death' in this plane, but spiritual beings ALWAYS, before, during AND after we are here in this physically-perceived plane.....until we can start approaching the things that happen to us from a spiritual level, we are seriously inhibiting our own spiritual growth and the problems just keep getting bigger and bigger, along with the fear and the labeling and everything that provokes. We need to realize that there has always been a spiritual/emotional basis to even THIS reality that is at the core of our purpose for even being here to begin with.

Well sh!t....sorry. I did not know I was in 'rant' mode today. LMAO Whooooooops.......

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What a lovely thing for your son to have, an imaginary friend. As far as I know none of mine had imaginary friends but my sons do have some of the characteristics you mentioned Carol.

Both my sons have an unusual blood group but it is inherited from their father. My ex-SIL had to have a total transfusion for her second child because of the Rhesus negative thing. They are both A but don't remember if it's + or -. Both are inclined to slow pulse and low blood pressure, again totally different to me. Both very, very sensitive to emotions and ESP. When my daughter died both were aware of something wrong in a major way. Eldest was awake all night worrying about her, sure something was wrong and my younger son woke up with the feeling she had taken her own life but as it was not the first time he'd had the feeling he did nothing about it. He was distraught at the thought he might have stopped her. There was no way he could have done so as she had planned it all very carefully, it was only the timing I think that was missing.

Unexpected? Well I was surprised with my eldest but not with my other son. Both suffer from sinus problems but so do I so again inherited?

Eldest gets migraines but so do I.

According to them I can be a right pain the neck but I somehow don't think that is quite what you have in mind.

Definitely the last for younger son. He is very interested in spiritual understanding. Both are very psychic and we regularly get in touch with each other because we 'feel' there is a need.

I don't think I am a Star Child either although you did say there was something of that nature in one of the readings you did for me.

As to the existence of such people, well, perhaps there is something in it but what are they doing.

My own experiences are more of a psychic nature and for a while I had to use the white light method to close myself off from family members as every time they had a 'problem' I was getting strong vibes from them. That's more like telepathy than anything else I think.

Interestingly I was watching a programme about whales and how they were cooperating with each other to herd their seal prey. Usually they 'talked' to each other but they had changed to a 'silent' mode for catching them as the seals were listening for the noises they made. Now did the whales 'talk' about it somewhere else or did the communicate with each other telepathically to go in silently. I suspect a bit of both but it was interesting nevertheless.



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Very interesting! I actually startled when I read about the extra vertabra, as my son has this. These are the ones that I know apply to him:
• Extra vertebrae
• Pain in the back of your neck
• Unseen friends as a child

We discovered the extra vertabra a few years ago, after an injury in basketball. I took him to my chiropractor and they always do x-rays on the first visit. We found that he's missing the "wing" on one vertabra and has an extra one.

He frequently has pain in his neck...but he's a teenager so I don't know how much that's related to this, and how much to "texting neck."

And Bobby, his imaginary friend was a part of our lives for many years. I had seen an interview with Sylvia Browne where she discussed how children are more open to seeing spirits and adults often consider them "imaginary friends." The adults tell the child it's not real and the child loses their openness to seeing the spirits. Because of that, I wouldn't let anyone say that to him...although I'm guessing someone did at school because Bobby eventually stopped being everywhere that Jason was.

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This is the first of a couple books I want to share with you. They are all different from each other but unusual in some way. Your comments are welcome.
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My reading has been somewhat of a mish-mash of subjects lately. Some of it has been astrological research. The rest of it consists of books to which I have been “drawn” to. Several weeks (months?) ago I found myself at Powell’s Bookstore, where they stock used books along with new books, just wandering, looking for something to “grab” me. The book that came along was called “The Star People” by Brad and Francie Steiger. It talked a lot about souls that were already and enlightened and here to help move the world in a more peaceful and progressive direction. Then they talked about people who came to this earth to develop more of their own Star People characteristics and abilities. It grabbed me because my astrology friend works with a channeler/psychic in California by phone (at rates I could never afford, somewhere over $100 per hour) and this lady told my friend at one point that she was one of the Star People. The book included a list of questions and/or characteristics to help you determine if you are one of the Star People. They included:
• An unusual blood type
• Lower body temperature
• Low blood pressure
• Extra or transitional vertebrae and/or extra ribs
• Hypersensitivity to individual senses and/or emotions
• Tendency and ability to function on very little sleep
• Being an unexpected child
• Suffering from chronic sinusitis
• Headaches or sore/swollen/painful joints brought on by humidity
• Pain in the back of your neck
• A feeling that your parents were not your “real parents” or that the earth was not your
true home
• A sense of urgency, sometimes accompanied by the words “Now is the time”
• Unseen friends as a child
• A belief in reincarnation
• A sense of having received a “special message around the age of 5 and/or 11.
• An on-going sense of connection with Spirit and the need to pursue spiritual
understanding

The book details responses from people that had one or more of these characteristics.

What is interesting now, as far as I am concerned, is that the book was published in the early 1980s and these Star People expected an Armageddon of some sort before the end of the twentieth century, which obviously did not happen. But it appears that many people, including my friend, still seem to carry many of these characteristics. When I first met her she was new to the practice of astrology although she had grown up around it all her life because female relatives (aunts? grandmother?) were astrologers. And as she has progressed as an astrologer and also started to “study” with this psychic she has been drawn more to the spiritual realm. The psychic lady’s messages and information sound genuine and positive, not hokey or negative in any way. I think she has a website but I don’t know the name.

So I was curious if any of you have a grouping of these traits that you would be willing to share and let us know how the situation has affected you. For the record, I do not believe I am a Star Child.




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This material is just phenomenal, Dawn. I have never, ever read anything that contained as much positivity, reverence, and genuine, practical wisdom for living and being than this stuff. I am so, so, SO sorry I didn't check it out further years and years ago. I was thinking that I had, at one point, but I think I was mistaken. I think what I happened upon back then was that Abraham Hicks stuff, not this......a couple people who are in the Seth group on FB are also members of a Hicks group and they've posted a few things by Hicks that were really familiar to me and got me to thinking that it was actually the stuff I had read about all that time ago and pretty much tossed out 'cause something about it just didn't strike me as legit. I may be wrong, I have no clue. But so far, in the reading I've done of this stuff, I don't ever remember anything like this at all from the stuff I'd found in the past and some of it is so profound, I'm thinking I would have remembered it if I had read it before..... ??

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Wow, that's good advice!

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"If each of you would, for one instant tomorrow, allow yourselves to feel fully the miracle of your being, then would you indeed find yourselves surrounded by a paradise, but a paradise that would make previous ideas of heaven silly by contrast----a paradise in which you realize the creativity and multidimensional aspects of your own being.

My dear friend over there, Will, you might be a statue---a beautiful sculpture, for all you know of the reality of yourself. And this applies to each of you. Yet there are no barriers that prevent such knowledge or understanding.

If I can feel your uniqueness, individually, with such impact, then why cannot each of you try to feel the grace of your own being? You will look at an animal or a flower and call it beautiful, and ignore the beauty and grace of your own experience. Now this relates not in high spiritual terms necessarily, but to the secret words that you speak to yourself when you call yourselves stupid, in the secret closets of your mind.

Would you call a flower stupid? Would you call a star stupid? Would you call a molecule stupid? If you understood the grace of your being, you would look even upon yourselves with joy and gracious abandon. Do you call yourselves dumb, or opaque, or fat, or skinny, or whatever? Whatever derogatory terms you use when you speak to yourselves, STOP IT!

Feel the uniqueness then of your laughter....and let your joy spring into your realization, and it will give birth to all of those abilities within you. In all of what I have said, there is indeed no greater, practical message.

You think in terms of future selves. And using your terms now----and as always, that is a loaded statement----but, using your terms, think instead of yourselves as pinnacles of achievement and expression, reached finally by the atoms and molecules that dwell within you. In your terms now, they think and feel and reason.

I return you, then, as always, to the selves that you are, and I entreat you, most humbly, to look within the selves you know for the wisdom that is indeed your own, for the blessing that comes from All That Is, as it is reflected through yourself. Ask me for your blessing, for your blessing. Ask your molecules for their blessing, as you bless them.

See the miracle of tomorrow. When you wake up in the morning, tell yourselves that you will perceive it, and perceive the grace of your being within it.

And now I leave you, and those blessings that I have to give I give you, and those that I do not have, I am sure you can find for yourselves."

(Excerpt from the Seth audio sessions shared by Patty Brick in FANS of the Seth Material FB group/Jane Roberts)

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I had to post this merely 'cause it's so beautiful. LOL (Here she goes again....hahahahaha)
But this struck me, because this is exactly what I do.....I began doing this when my sparky friend in Maine was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer last year. I know that Maine is north of me, so I stand out on my deck, facing north, and this is exactly what I do.....and I've always felt a bit foolish, and I've also always hoped that in some way, it 'worked', but I never knew...I thought something like this would be good, maybe, for your granddaughter, Carol?
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"Now I will shortly leave you. But, before I do there is something I would like you to try. First of all, listen to my voice. Use it. Attach your own energy to it also. Let the sound of its energy rouse you from your own sleeping. Let it then rouse your own energy, lift you from your sleep. Energy is not only eternal but limitless. There is no limit to the energy that is available to you. Therefore, you do not have to worry that what energy you use is, therefore, denied you in the future so open up the doors within yourselves.

Imagine, if you must, that you have back doors through which this energy emerges, fresh from the fountains of the universe. Now, imagine this universe, imagine this energy connecting; focused, vital, and strong. Close your eyes and imagine it in this room. Imagine all the energy that is available to you, here now, connected and send it outward to the woman in question. Send it through space and time easily through the vehicle of my voice.

Use my voice, therefore, as a vehicle upon which unending energy can rise and let that power then of vitality and life and strength enter the body and spirit and mind of the woman and fill her with the feeling of vital life and give her the knowledge of herself that she now so desperately requires. Feel that energy glide as easily through the air as air currents; as naturally and as easily as the wind that feels both night and day. Feel it then fill her frame with vitality and strength and know that you have a part in this. And, that through the part that you are playing are you also being filled with therapeutic energies and with vitalities that will rejuvenate your spirit and your mind.

And, leave this place then in joy and freedom and exultation and know that you have helped another. And, that through opening the doors of energy are you then filled with it and ever replenished and that through this giving do you receive. And, I bid you then to return to this place and this room."

(excerpt from one of the ESP classes transcribed in the Early Class Sessions Book 4/Jane Roberts)

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I would have to go back and look it up, but I remember that a lot of what Cayce predicted was to occur before the year 2000. Steiger's book is the same way - all before 2000. Well, here we are. About to enter 2016. And of course these folks were talking about the current calendar system, which is 3 years off (can't remember before or after) the system that was used before it. And of course we had all the Mayan stuff for 2012. Again, here we are with all those dates long past. From what I have read, "predicting time" is one of the hardest things for psychics because time apparently fluctuates and is relative. That's why I like astrology: timing is more specific and generally pretty accurate - assuming you know how to read the system. I'll try to post the Star People quiz and some of the basic information in a few days in case anyone else is curious.

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You know....speaking of earth changes, etc., didn't Edgar Cayce make some predictions about all that kind of stuff, too? Seems to me I remember him saying something about California falling off the continent and Florida being washed out. But I can't remember if he actually set 'time frames' for this stuff....I'll have to go back and look. I'm also thinking that maybe he was the one who predicted the pole shift, at some point, which I actually think is probably a natural phenomena. I do know that the Inuits up in Alaska were so concerned about that, that they contacted NASA this past year because even tho there has not be an actual or complete 'shift' of axis, the magnetic pole actually has shifted to a great enough extent that it is giving them difficulties in their own weather prognostications, because their growing season is so short up there, they have to be spot-on in order for their crops to succeed and that was what caused them to notice the pole difference to begin with...they kept having to make adjustments they'd never had to make before in their magnetic north calculations.

I also think that's why the Edgar Cayce foundation chose Va. Beach as their headquarter base....I guess Cayce specified certain areas of the country that would be 'safe' in the future, and Va. was one of the states he specified. I'm thinking Ohio was another, he seemed to think that the group of states clustered within that geographic area would be relatively 'immune' to the 'side effects' of the somewhat 'catastrophic' changes that he saw, in a geographical way......

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I think I've read about that quiz re: the star people. You can post it if you'd like, Carol. I can go in different directions at once. LOL I read some about the star people concept, and I'm thinking it was Brad Steiger I read about, but I don't remember now what all it said. That channeling stuff was one of the things that caused me to be so skeptical of the Seth stuff at first, as you well know. He doesn't make many predictions, per se, and emphasizes that to do so is pretty foolish because of free will operating at every moment, so the future can hold so many probabilities it would be practically impossible to foretell WHICH of those probabilities would be the one to materialize. We humans are a very unsteady lot, in that regard. LOL The only thing close to a prediction that I've come across in any of the books at all was the one about the scenario being properly set for the Christ consciousness by 2075, and for some reason, he was very definite about that one, which made me wonder. Why he was so definite was never really explained. But it'd be interesting to see what the Steiger fella has to say, you know I'm up for any and all ideas. LOL

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On the general subject of reading: I mentioned in the Chat Thread tonight that I have been having intestinal issues. Today I decided to dedicate time to dealing with them, which gave me a great deal of "reading" time while my body worked out its problems, so to speak. I started reading a book I picked up at Powell's a little while back.

Just a brief introductory aside: I have a good friend who works occasionally with a channeling psychic who told my friend she might be one of the Star People. I know there is material on-line about it, and I'm not sure what I think of it. Anyway, at Powell's I saw a book by Brad Steiger on the subject and picked it up. He and his wife Francie have written dozens of books over the course of many years and it was a used book - meaning cheap.

So today I started reading this book. I'm trying to keep an open mind. Some of the things he writes about remind me a lot of you, since you have talked about being fascinated with so many things from a young age and feeling so different from others. This author is coming from a different perspective that Jane Roberts and Seth, so I'm not sure this would be a good time for me to suggest that you switch direction. But if/when you find yourself ready to look in a new direction, one that will give you a "quiz" to take to see if you are part of the group, please let me know and I will post it.

By the way, to anyone besides Gail (Sally, others?) that offer goes to you too. I won't post anything unless it gets really fascinating. Right now the most interesting part is that it was written back in 1980-81, and it includes some predictions for earth changes before the change of the millennium in 2000 - none of which occurred. So I am rather cautious about it too. Still it helped me pass the time today.


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"Most of your God concepts deal with a static God, and here is one of your main theological difficulties. The awareness and experience of this gestalt constantly changes and grows. There is no static God. When you say, 'This is God', then God is already something else. I am using the term 'God' for simplicity's sake.
"All portions of All That Is are constantly changing, enfolding, and unfolding. All That Is, seeking to know Itself, constantly creates new versions of Itself. For this seeking Itself is a creative activity and the core of all action....
"Consciousness, seeking to know itself, therefore knows you. You, as a consciousness, seek to know yourself and become aware of yourself as a distinct individual portion of All That Is. You not only draw upon this overall energy but you do so automatically since your existence is dependent upon it.
"There is no personal God-individual in Christian terms", Seth says, "and yet you do have access to a portion of All That Is, a portion highly attuned to you.....There is a portion of All That Is directed and focused within each individual, residing within each consciousness. Each consciousness is, therefore, cherished and individually protected. This portion of overall consciousness is individualized within you.
"The personality of God as generally conceived is a one-dimensional concept based upon man's small knowledge of his own psychology. What you prefer to think of as God is, again, an energy gestalt or pyramid consciousness. It is aware of itself as being, for instance, you, Joseph. It is aware of itself as the smallest seed.....This portion of All That Is that is aware of itself as you, that is focused within your existence, can be called upon for help when necessary.
"This portion is also aware of itself as something more than you. This portion that knows itself as you, and more than you, is the personal God, you see. Again: this gestalt, this portion of All That Is, looks out for your interests and may be called upon in a personal manner.
"Prayer contains its own answer, and if there is no white-haired kind old father-God to hear, then there is instead the initial and ever-expanding energy that forms everything that is and of which every human being is a part.
"This psychic gestalt may sound impersonal to you, but since its energy forms your person, how can this be?
"If you prefer to call this supreme psychic gestalt God, then you must not attempt to objectify him, for he is the nuclei of your cells and more intimate than your breath."
(pp. 245-6/The Seth Material/Jane Roberts)



Edited by: LODI31 at: 12/6/2015 (01:35)
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Thanx, Sally, you're very kind. I may still post some stuff here and there, as I come across it. But I'll try to keep it brief and leave out *my* own opinion. The stuff pretty much speaks for itself, really. For being such a skeptic going into it, I find the wisdom and overall reverence behind this stuff almost unfathomable. It's made me realize in a big way just how UN-evolved I really am. Makes me wonder just how many lifetimes I'm gonna have to do to catch up. LOL

"I want to know all God's thoughts; all the rest are just details." ~~ Albert Einstein

"Consciousness, seeking to know itself, therefore knows you....Each consciousness is, therefore, cherished and individually protected."~~Seth

"Someone I loved once gave me a box full of darkness. It took me years to understand that this too, was a gift." ~~~Mary Oliver
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For what it's worth, I think wanting to pass on information, which you perceive to be enlightening is very laudable. Just because everyone doesn't listen, either from disinterest or disbelief, is their choice. Wanting to inform and educate in my book is a brilliant desire.

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Regarding listening to the voice: it is a lesson that no one could teach you. You had to learn it for yourself. I have been that way - and still am, sometimes. Mostly it focuses around my past life work and my astrology. I have learned to tone it down somewhat, knowing that most of the people I come in contact with are not in tune with such ideas. But I certainly do understand your enthusiasm and appreciate watching another person enjoy the wonderment so many of us have lost over the years. And yes, you are right, the issue is trust. We have to trust each person to make their own decisions. I read a lot of the Spark blogs that are referenced in my Status Feed from friends and find that sometimes I can be helpful and encouraging to people but many times I read it, think about it, and then just back out of it. Learning not to "help" everybody is a learning experience. I'm on the journey with you - it's nice to have you by my side. And I do hope you never lose that sense of wonder and enthusiasm for new things in life. It's a rare gift.


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That's nice, I like having a sister. I wouldn't trade my brother for anything or anyone, but having a sister has added a whole new dimension to my life, I'm thankful she found me. I'm glad you keep in touch with yours. That's true, re: the medical stuff, altho in my own case, I also have to say that I don't pay a lot of attention to it. As foolish (and totally UNmedical) as it may sound, I think a long time ago I kinda decided to 'make my own fate' with a lot of that. By the time I actually found out any medical info about my biological family, I'd gone so much of my life already not worrying about any of it that I just couldn't find it within myself to worry about any of it then, either. So far I have not had any of the maladies that are included in the genetic heritage, other than the gallbladder removal. BUT that's not to say that I won't, at some point. It's all the standard stuff, as far as heart disease, diabetes, stroke, the more common stuff. Do the kids like those Highlight mags? I got ads for those, too, each time one of my grandkids was born, along with all of the ads wanting the grandparents to take out life insurance policies on the babies. LOL

And I guess I'll quit posting my stuff in here for now, as far as the Seth material, unless someone actually wants me to. I had a major epiphany today....probably a long time coming. Remember all those years ago when I heard that voice? Well....I discovered today exactly what it was about...and it was about this.

In my zeal to *forcibly enlighten* everyone, I have always gone overboard. Every time I have ever happened across something that seemed particularly pertinent to me, or that was particularly helpful, my FIRST impulse has always been to share it with the people I thought that it might also help. I get SO excited whenever I find something that really 'clicks', and I assume that it will 'click' with everyone, if they only 'know' about it....and I'm talking about EVERYTHING, not just this stuff or other metaphysical stuff...

Each time I come across something I'd never heard about before, the first thing my mind does is cast around in the memories to see if what I have found might be helpful to someone I've spoken to at any point.....whenever I see anything new about gluten-free stuff, I think of Dawn and Dot. Whenever I see anything about astrology or sleep apnea, I think of you....if I find anything new re: UFOs or ghosties or paranormal, I think of the team.....I do this, individually, with everyone on the team, active or inactive, and in my life, according to their own individual struggles, interests, etc. Drives my kids insane, I think. I KNOW it drove my parents insane, because what was 'new' to me was always 'old hat' to them, so when I would get all excited about this or that and run to them with all these **new** things, they would get SO exasperated. I mean, now and again probably would have been tolerable...but you already know I am not a 'now and again' person.....I am an *all the time* something new person. LOL

But today....it finally hit me what I was doing, You see....I have always equated this with 'caring' for people.....caring, to me, always meant sharing EVERYTHING with people I cared about, in my own excitement. I wanted to 'pull them in' to share this excitement I felt about stuff inside myself. You know that old saying, that you always view other peoples' intents/actions/motives, etc. thru the lens of your own? That is exactly what I do....I just **assume** that what helps me will just help EVERYONE.

But it's not true. It never was. By doing what I have always done, what I was writing out of the equation, without even realizing it, was trust....trust that people will find their own way, with or without me or anyone/thing else.....trust in the universe itself to guide every person in its own way, but particularly in THEIR own way, to find their own truths; *I* was not a 'necessary component', in that respect, to anyone but myself.....in complying with only MY own version of 'helping', I was not helping at all. What I WAS doing was driving people away. What I WAS doing was actually probably hindering them, because whatever 'enlightenment' I was trying to spew around, in my ignorant and overzealous zeal, was packaged within the 'gift' of my own opinion, and feelings. I was actually doing a disservice without even realizing it.

Sigh. I'm learning, I'm learning. LMAO As of today, I am finally listening to that 'voice' from all those years ago, because it wasn't until today that I finally, FINALLY understood what it was trying to tell me. It coulda been a lot more explicit back then, just sayin'. Would have saved me AND everyone else a whole lotta grief, probably. LMAO BUT I suppose there is a reason even for THAT, right??? hahahahahaha I guess getting the message late, versus not getting it at all, could be considered a plus......

Edited by: LODI31 at: 12/4/2015 (20:32)
"I want to know all God's thoughts; all the rest are just details." ~~ Albert Einstein

"Consciousness, seeking to know itself, therefore knows you....Each consciousness is, therefore, cherished and individually protected."~~Seth

"Someone I loved once gave me a box full of darkness. It took me years to understand that this too, was a gift." ~~~Mary Oliver
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