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Hi again RM!

I'm a firm advocate nowadays of a Whole Food Plant Based Diet.
Start slow, make the change.
Weight loss is only a small part of it... your health will skyrocket.

Some great resources is anything by Dr. Michael Greger. He's got a bunch of youtubes and 2 books out now... he doesn't profit from the proceeds, he puts them back into spreading the good news.

A personal fav of mine is YouTuber Lily Koi Hawaii.
Super motivating, inspirational young woman.

Take care of you...
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O those cray docs!

Found it in less than 5 minutes...
Each Eltroxin tablet contains levothyroxine sodium as the active ingredient.

Each Eltroxin tablet contains the following excipients:

microcrystalline cellulose
maize starch
purified talc
colloidal anhydrous silica
magnesium stearate
They are free from gluten, sucrose, lactose and azo dyes.

From this source here:
http://www.mydr.com.au/medicines/cmis/el
troxin-tablets

I don't think Eltroxin is a magic thyroid pill, none of them are.
What you need to do it get on one brand and stay with it each month bc for example a 50mcg dose of levothyroxine in brand A may be actually higher or lower than a 50mcg dose of levothyroxine in brand B due to the formulation of the binders in the pill.

So go with whatever fits your budget and is easier.

Yah, Synthroid might be best... for the doc, bc she's on an incentive prescription program to prescribe that drug by the makers of Synthroid. Sad but true fact of life.

Be well
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My doctor looked up Eltroxin in her new medical book and it is not listed.

She said that the brand name Synthroid is the BEST.

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Tomorrow I see the doctor and I will ask about the Eltroxin. I have been going to the gym twice a week since the beginning of the month and doing low impact exercises for an hour each session. For the next three months I will be seeing a coach once a week for 30 minutes doing exercises for building core strength, etc.

Today is my second visit. He has also changed my diet to 40C/30/F/30P. I had already cut down or eliminated the cheese and other dairy products. I now know when to eat a fast acting or slow acting carbohydrates and how much. Your advice and his has helped me lose 4 pounds. Thank you very much.. :-)

BTW, I continue to exercise at home on the days I do not go to the gym.

I am hoping that this continued change will bring my A1C of 6.2 down to normal by the middle of April. Wish me luck and thanks again.

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Great! It's been a few weeks... do you have a progress report?

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I am willing to wean myself off the cheese. I am already on board with the low fat dairy. I am fitting more exercise into my schedule and eating more veggies which I already love. Thanks for the information. I am anxious to see the results in 3 months. emoticon

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I'm completely whole food plant based now.

If you can't ditch all animal foods, I'd say start by ditching cheese and any high fat dairy. Stick with zero fat yogurt like Greek yogurt... Walmart makes an excellent plain Greek. Increase your fruits and veggies. Avoid fats and oils, all fried foods.

Good luck!
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After my thyroid was removed, my endro doctor put me on Synthroid and it has been that way ever since. After I moved and got a new endro doctor, he continued with the Synthroid. I guess if it does the job, why change it? The next time I see my doctor I will mention Eltroxin and see what he has to say about it. Maybe switching to something different would make it easier to lose weight faster?

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QT:

Eltroxin DOES contain lactose.

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YAY!

I'm so happy to hear this!
I'd find out whatever dye it is that was used in your last script and make sure you don't get it in makeup or your foods.

I always buy my Synthroid in jars of 100 count as they never have dye.

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Well I guess this is a 2weekish update. I'm back on Eltroxin. I have a 150 and a 50 (that I split) So far I feel great :) My pharmacist also told me that sometimes people have a reaction to the dye in the pills too. Well I'm glad for once my doctor listened and thank you for all the great advice :)

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Thanks JK! I try to do what I can to make things less "confusicating". ha

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Mzzchief - You are a real treasure!! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge; and for translating technical, complex matters into understandable language.

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Wulfie, hey!

All thyroid hormone, including the Porcines like Armour, have iodine in them, but they are bound to the hormone not floating around free.

Synthroid has povidone, which is EXTRA iodine that is NOT a part of the thryoid hormone. So if your body is sensitive to iodine, then you definately don't want to be taking any in with your medication if there's an alternative! You'd also want to limit or avoid foods that are high in iodine like strawberries or seafood, sea veggies.

QT~
Regarding getting more bang for your thyroid medication buck there are some things you can do to maximize your absorption.

Take on an empty stomach, with a full glass of water so that the pill gets down to the jejenum, the middle part of the intestine where its absorbed. Otherwise it will get caught up in your stomach where NONE is absorbed. Don't eat for 60 -90 minutes after you have taken it to avoid it being bound by your food. Don't take calcium, iron, other minerals, antacids, vitamins, other prescription medication within 4 hours. If you take hormones, take them at the opposite end of the day from your thyroid medded.

Avoid soy protien. Fermented soy, soy oil, lecithin from soy are all okay because they don't have the protien actives genistien and diazien in them that compete with your thyroid hormones or bind them in the gut so that they never get into the bloodstream.

I think that's about it, although I've prolly left some stuff out. Anyone that can add to that, please do!

Let us know how it goes at your doctors...

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Thanks Mzz for the breakdown in the Eltroxin and Synthroid. I understood that all synthetics were made with a binding to iodine molecules which is why I could not tolerate synthetics-I am allergic to iodine! [Probably why I have a thyroid problem!] But-Eltroxin does not have the iodine[povidone] molecules. This could be the culprit for you-QT. If you are having any sensitivity to iodine-you won't tolerate synthroid and do fine on Eltroxin.PS-Yeah-that lower thyroid dose thing-you will DEFINATELY feel it and it won't feel good!

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QT~

I went back and read your posts on this thread.

I'd like to see the labwork ... your thyroid numbers... to understand why your doc thought it prudent to lower your medication.

Do you have those numbers, and if you don't can you get them? The specific values would be for TSH, Free T3 and Free T4.

My understanding is that when you switched docs, he put you from two 100 mcg pills of Eltroxin to one 175mcg pill of Synthroid.

I'll tell ya right now, that that drop of 25mcgs... you're gonna feel that. Whether or not is going from 200 mcgs of Synthroid to 175 of Synthroid, or 200 mcgs of Eltroxin to 175 mcgs of Eltroxin. Cuz that's 25mcgs of thyroid hormone that your body was used to having that it no longer has. Which translates out to the symptoms you were describing... basically your body is having withdrawal symptoms and needs time to adjust.

But I would like to see the labwork to see why he thought you needed a reduction in the first place.

I've got to get to my classes, but when I come back I'll send you some information on how to get more bang out of your thyroid medication.

Til soon
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QT~

I went online to find out what the diff was in the two bases.

Eltroxin base consists of Sodium citrate, lactose, Maize Starch (cornstarch), Acacia powder, Magnesium stearate and purified water.

Synthroid's base is Acacia, confectioner's sugar(which contains cornstarch), lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, povidone ( an iodine compound) and talc.

So the bases are similiar, but not identical.
As for needing Eltroxin in a dosage it doesn't come in, that's a problem that would require 3 prescriptions as it only comes in 25mcg, 50mcg, and 100mcg doses... you'd need a script for all three of them unless you'd be down with using a pill splitter to cut the 50mcg in half. In that case you'd need a script for the 100mcg dose and the 50mcg.

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CyberQT-I understand how what appears to be the same type of med can not react well in your system. I agree with Mzz-negotiate with the doc with the "since this is chemically the same medication" and "it makes no sense but my system seems to respond so much better to this med" and be persistant. Keep saying that you know the formulations appear to be very similar but... Hopefully he will relent.

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Well the issue now becomes that Eltroxin doesn't have the .175mg dosage. So I'm hoping for another blood test to maybe even go down to the .150mg

Its so frustrating!

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QT~

" Doc since there's no difference in these two medications, then you won't mind prescribing me the Eltroxin, right?"

Tell him that and smile sweetly.
Good luck!
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Well I called the doctor to make an appt. I have been on the same pill and same dosage for 4 years now. It just frustrates me when the doctor (or his receptionist) tell me they are the same. They 'may be' but they react differently to me. I had some left over Eltroxin from my other dosage, probably a terrible thing to do, but after 1 week of those the anger and soreness and 'offness' I felt are gone. I know its the synthroid and no one can tell me any different.

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Mzz is right about the generics. Every pharmacy plays this med roulette. I'm not sure why they seem to switch from one pharm co.-I'm assuming price, not just availability- to another with every RX refill-I never get the same pill when I refill my generics. On most of my meds, I have no problem with it but with my thyroid-It is a big deal. Since I take Armour-I get the same med every day. Thanks for the chem lesson Mzz-I actually didn't know that T4 [and T3] were the atoms of iodine!

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April hey!

The ingredient in Synthroid that many peeps have allergy to is acacia, aka gum arabic. Acacia is a binder, it helps keep the pill together. Its used in quite a few formulations, not just thyroid meds. Its harvested from a legumous tree, which is just a fancy word meaning "in the bean family" meaning its a nitrogen-fixing plant with bean like seeds found in a pod.

Levothyroxine, l-thyroxine, levothyroxine sodium, are all names for the active ingredient in all thyroid medications... its all levothyroxine sodium. The "levo" means left... it means that the chemical structure of the thyroxine is a left handed isomer... and its a salt, as indicated by the sodium which is cleaved away when it goes into solution in your gut.

Levothyroxine its also known as T4. The T stands for thyroxine and the 4 is how many atoms of iodine are joined to it.

So anytime you see those terms, those are "generic" thyroid meds. Any company can make a generic thyroid medication. The problem is when your pharmacy starts buying from different manufacturers... because the active ingredient... the levothyroxine sodium... is in different bases which may or may not have different degrees of bioavailability. So even though they are rated all say 50mcgs... your body might not be able to get the full 50mcg dose out of them.

If your pharmacy gets its generic meds from the same manufacturer every month, then there's no problem whatsoever.

Its only when they mix stuff up by giving you generic thyroid medication from company A one month, then generic thyroid medication from company B the next month, etc.

That would be like one month taking Synthroid, the next month Levoxyl, the third mabbe back to Synthroid, the fourth on Unithroid. Because of the different bioavailability of the actives in each medication, you won't be getting the same amount and your thyroid hormones and TSH can flucuate.

Hope this isn't too confusing!
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Eltroxin is a brand name for levothyroxine it is gluten and lactose free.

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I have been diagnosed with hypothyroid for 11 years now and have never heard of eltroxin. Curious to know more about it. Synthroid did not work for me and I take L-thyroxine. Is eltroxin a generitic name for synthroid?

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I' have never used it. Good luck getting your meds straightened out.

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I agree with the others. I assume your doctor is on vacation like mine during the holiday. I never heard of Eltroxin, but noticed a differences with change in medication and/or dose.

Each person is unique and feels good at a different TSH level. I do not feel or do well with a TSH less than 2-2.5

I have read that thyroid patients require a higher dose in the winter and lower in the spring and summer. Don't know why but this is true for me.

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isn't it amazing what a lower dose can do to you!?

I'd call them, there is no way a doctor should be unable to be contacted for 2 wks. If that is truly the case then you may want to consider a new doc!

All these symptoms are probably the result of the lowered dose.

Try to always get a hard copy of your test results. Many of us keep a notebook with these stored in there for reference. In mine I keep my food diaries along with a scale where I note how I feel on my symptoms on a daily basis.

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I have never heard of Eltroxin either. I agree with Mzz. What were the labs that triggered the dose reduction? Some docs are very conservative with labs and will change you when you are at 1 because they think you are WAY too low when in reality you are feeling good and the labs are not too low. Keep track of your labs and if you are on synthroid or any synthetic you should be between 1-1.5. That's usually optimal. If he switched you and you were 1.75 or 2-you could very well need to go back up. The adjustment down however slight can make you feel poorly for a short time until you adjust in a few weeks.

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Methinks its not just the switch, but the new lower dosage that you are feeling. My other thought, is whether or not you would have been put on a lower dosage, if you hadn't gone to a new doctor.

Do you have access to your thyroid tests?
Specifically the test that indicated a need for a lower dosage and the one before that, to see if anything had changed?

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It's apparently chemically the same as synthroid but different binders. I have noticed a huge difference with it. It has less dosages (I think)

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What is Eltroxin? Never heard of it.

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When I was first diagnosed with Hypothroidism I was put on Synthroid. After about 18 months and a new doctor I changed to Eltroxin. I've been on the same dosage of Eltroxin for 5 years. Last month my newest dr (I moved) wanted to lower my dosage. Fine. But he changed me back to Synthroid. I've spent the last month angry, tired, and just off. Apparently the new dosage is only available in synthroid and since the dr has been close for the past 2 weeks I haven't been able to call and get him to change it to 2 eltroxin pills.

Has anyone else noticed this difference? Any suggests?

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