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Hope u r unstuck, Berry! emoticon

If the mind mends, the body will follow.

Gluten free is working for me!

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Going to go back and check out those links that @_RAMONA provided back in February!

I was just going to "add"... that it seems for me, when I try to regain my "fasting-mojo"... food comes to the forefront, everywhere I look!
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And as someone said on the Dr. Fung FB group: "Sometimes we have to accept that healthy change(s) may also bring discomfort."

** The reality is we (I) need to accept that and go beyond the discomfort 'now' with the goal of improved health as I persist and push through."

(My translation/paraphrase...!) It's been a high-level of stress and lack of perspective that has kept me STUCK for the past 6 months.
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Don't know if this is the best spot for this link... but I thought it had some helpful information re. exercise & IF. I do hope it is helpful!
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"In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps." Proverbs 16:9




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5/28/20 5:56 P

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Thanks Berry4! I’ve not heard of monk fruit, so I’ll check it out. My stevia is from an organic grower, not too far from me.
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For me, personally, Stevia has NOT been a problem. I use it, if needed, fasting or otherwise. It seems to have enough "sweet" that I don't need a lot.

Another item I have used w/ success is Monk Fruit drops...

www.lakanto.com/products/cop
y-of-liqui
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Hope that helps!
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"In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps." Proverbs 16:9




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Great reply, Ramona. Links were helpful.
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I woke up hungry yesterday, for the first time in 8-weeks. I rode out the “hungry wave” (went back to sleep for an hour) and then I was fine, even extending my fast by two hours because I just got busy.
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I know that artificial sweeteners are a big “NO!” but can someone tell me if Stevia is okay. I’m using it, a little, but I don’t think it is triggering the cephalic phase response, as described in the article below. If it did, I would stop.

Anyone using a Soda Stream for carbonated water?
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Hi, Lisa... great start to your journey! Now the real work begins, LOL.

There is no short concise and definitive answer as to why you are experiencing hunger at this point, though it's certain that it's due to how your hormones are fluctuating and sorting themselves out (a ketogenic lifestyle is not a static process). I suspect that it's ultimately because while you're likely in ketosis more often than not, you're not yet fat adapted, and your body has finally used up every last bit of stored glucose... which is great. Now your body truly has to move from using glucose for fuel, to learning to consistently convert body fat to fuel... which is what it means to be 'fat-adapted'. The process of becoming fully fat-adapted can take months for some people... women 'of a certain age' seem to have a harder time getting to this place.

So, while there is no practical way of accurately measuring what the hormonal issue may be, the fix is quite simple... more quality fat, and dial back your protein (no more than 50 grams per day). Stop counting calories and focus on macronutrients (80%+ fat, 5% carbs and 50 grams protein... around 2000 calories per day... it is fat percentage that is the difference between a low-carb diet vs. a truly ketogenic approach), and at this point don't focus on extending your fasting time until hunger is back in control. As long as the largest percentage of your calories come from fat, you'll be fine and you may, in fact, find that your weight loss increases.

Another issue may be that your cortisol (STRESS) has increased... or is finally having an impact. Cortisol kills ketosis and seriously impacts a person's ability to become fat-adapted (which is very often why 'women of a certain age' struggle with fat-adaptation), and why we need to eat more fat, less protein. Anything you can do to reduce stress and up your ketones (more fat) will help.

As far as ketones in your urine, anyone eating any significant quantity of fat will produce ketones in the urine, especially in the initial weeks of eating ketogenically... this is not necessarily an indication that you're 'in ketosis' but that you're converting dietary fat into ketones (the only way the body can process dietary fat) and what you see in your urine are the ketones your body can't use for fuel. The real indicator of whether or not you're 'in ketosis' is if you have dark colour first thing in the morning. If, in the first few months of eating ketogenically, you have dark colour first thing in the morning having fasted overnight, then you're now converting body fat for fuel in excess of what you actually need... which means you truly are 'in ketosis' and starting to fat-adapt.

Here are some resources that may help:


How to not get hungry: Fasting and ghrelin
www.dietdoctor.com/not-get-hu
ngry-fast
ing-ghrelin



Being Fat Adapted Versus "In Ketosis" (Pt.1/3)
www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-b
e-
a-ketard1.html



Being Fat Adapted Versus "In Ketosis" (Pt.2/3)
www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/01/dont-b
e-
a-ketard2.html



Being Fat Adapted Versus "In Ketosis" (Pt.3/3)
www.tuitnutrition.com/2016/02/dont-b
e-
a-ketard3.html



Ketogenesis, Measuring Ketones, and Burning Fat vs Being in Ketosis
www.tuitnutrition.com/2017/09/measur
in
g-ketones.html



...and if you haven't yet read them, read





These books will help you understand and trouble-shoot your own body as you go deeper in to this process!

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P.S. Great articles, Berry!


Edited by: _RAMONA at: 2/8/2020 (09:44)

Dr. Jason Fung: "Holy consensus, Batman. With so many 'experts' from Michelle Obama to the USDA to virtually all of the medical professionals (including doctors and dieticians) agreeing that 'Eat Less, Move More' is the way to go, you might think that it is 100% unquestionably true. But here's a queer thought... if we all agree that we know the cure for obesity, and we've spent billions on educations and programs - why are we getting fatter? In other words, why does this 'cure' suck so bad?


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I only have some possible ideas / suggestions that you could consider... I personally don't have a "solid" answer as to what/why.

Maybe you could add in a day each week, of more-than-usual calories, following your current eating plan?
Maybe you could "mix-up" the way your days go in terms of when you eat? (ie. 1l, 2, or 3 meals in a day)

I did a little looking and came up w/ the following links... I am no way endorsing or suggesting any product or "answer" for you. -- You will have to continue exploring how your body responds & what works best for you.
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bodyketosis.com/hungry-on-ket
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I thought it was interesting to note that STRESS is one culprit in how our body (& mind) reacts to what we are doing w/ food. -- That is often a "trigger" for me.

www.msn.com/en-ph/health/nutr
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Let us know how it goes!
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"In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps." Proverbs 16:9




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Hi team. I've been on Keto and IF for about 4 weeks now with, I suppose, good results (about 12 pounds and 1% body fat down - I'd like it to be more but...). At first, I could go easily from 7 or 8 pm to 4 or 5 pm for my fast. Now, I'm getting hungry by 10 am and very hungry by noon. I eat enough calories at my evening meal and snack, I think. I have been adding some whipping cream and coconut oil to my mid-morning and noon coffee to try to add some calories to stave off hunger. Anyone have any insight into why hunger has appeared? I thought hunger was supposed to reduce as you get used to IF and stay in Ketosis... I don't have blood monitoring, but in the afternoons near the end of my fasting period I am registering medium - high ketones using the "pee on a stick" method. Thanks!


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