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4/15/19 2:22 A

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Hi again folks! I hope everyone is having a great week. Maybe time for an update. I've managed to lose some weight doing 16:8 or close to it most days, but if I don't do it, no biggie, keeping carbs somewhat low, and walking a mile a day. I don't feel like I'm "dieting" - just maintaining as I plan to for the rest of my life. I'm also trying to waste less food by using up leftovers (before they go bad), and do more cooking. I'm eating a lot of calorie dense foods, and I suspect I will have to tweak things to get to my ultimate goals. But the scale is slowly moving the right direction, and I'm still trying some new foods and trying to improve my eating habits. So far so good!

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Hello MJ, Hodgepodge, May, and Berry!

Somehow I missed this thread.

I do a daily version of 14:10 or 15:9 usually. Sometimes if I need to, I will do 12:12! The flexibility keeps me going with IF when before, I would do IF and quit, and then repeat, do IF and quit for a few days or months

My blood glucose still benefits even with 12:12, and a more stable routine is better for my blood glucose anyway. I made it to 16.5 hours fasting today!

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Glad you've joined our thread here!
(Go ahead and add in what got missed: "I would love to hear about the ..........?)

As to FBS - Fasting Blood Sugar (taken w/ a home finger prick & blood drop test strip)

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2/10/19 10:06 A

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Wow! I have learned lots reading what you all are doing so thanx. Though I would Love to eat my biggest meal at Lunch I will have to pick and choose which Lunches to eat! as they are healthy, they are high in carbs.

Ok what does FBG stand for.

I also would love to hear about the, Apparantly I have Sometimers, cuz as I was writing it it left me!

But I do remember it was about an article about fasting! I want to say mimic gfasting, but I could not find the article

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1/31/19 11:49 P

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I love your scientific approach, and how you are listening to your body. Good luck!

Just to clarify, even though I didn't go back to 16/8 after that trip, I never had trouble with compliance when I was doing it. Any time before that when I let it go for a day, due to a family get together or something, I'd go right back to the schedule and think nothing of it. I think the problem was really a lack of motivation. And I didn't stop working on my diet entirely, actually, I got a lot better at reducing carbs in the meantime. I also didn't gain the weight back right away.

Maybe it's naive but now that I really need to do it for my health (I want to keep medications to a minimum), I don't think I'll have trouble. And although I stopped doing 16/8 back in 2016, I didn't gain all the weight back until 2018. Last year was just a tough year and I couldn't focus on diet and exercise; I also stopped writing. There were medical issues with my husband and with myself, and a death in the family. It wasn't about carbs or eating schedules, it was about stress.

But it's not like worrying, ditching my goals, and stress eating, helps my husband's health concerns or whatever the stressor is, it just throws me further off track. So I'm working on ways to deal with stress. I'm trying to learn how to ride the storm out, without completely ditching my own needs and goals.

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1/31/19 1:44 A

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This continues to be an experiment for me.... I'm now going to track my AM FBS for 30 days to see how things "look" on the inside.

emoticon @HODGEPODGEPANDA -- Thanks for sharing what you tried & your present goal.
The one summer I tried IF, I actually lost 10 lbs. However, not unlike your situation, I went on vacation & by a couple of months into the Fall, that weight came back plus some more. -- I do think there were some other factors, so now I will look to see what my body is "telling me" via the numbers.

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1/30/19 3:31 A

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I first tried 16/8 back in August of 2016. The funny thing was, I'd never heard of 16/8, lol. I just knew I was snacking day and night and I wanted to cut back the hours I eat. Years ago a coworker told me his brother lost weight by just not eating after 5 pm. I wanted to try something like that, just to see if it would help.

"Not eating after 5 pm" wouldn't work for me, but I realized I could use a different schedule. I'd try to go to bed before I get hungry, and I have a bit of a buffer when I get up, as well, because I'm not hungry when I first get up (unless I haven't gotten enough sleep). I ended up using the 8 hours that are opposite on the clock from when I sleep. I'm a night owl and I don't have to work a specific time, so I often go to bed after 3 am. Sometimes I'm still up when my husband gets up at 5:30 am, lol.

So I decided to eat from 4:00 pm to midnight. This is when I naturally eat the most anyway, I just cut out the extra snacking. I started losing weight right away, like I'd gone on a real diet, lol. I was shocked. I hadn't logged into Spark for a year, but I logged in to post a blog about it. That's when someone told me I was doing a 16/8 fast, before that I had no idea it had a name, lol. After a couple weeks I realized I'd have to lower carbs, because I felt shaky. I'd eaten high carb all my life, but when restricting eating hours it was clear my blood sugar was spiking. After I worked on lowering my carbs, everything went great until I went on vacation. I went off the schedule for the trip, but I figured I'd go right back to the schedule after vacation. I just didn't do it, lol. I tried to stay low carb, but I didn't eat on the schedule. And all too often, I would end up eating meal sized snacks at 4 am.

But now I need to lose weight for health reasons, and I know this schedule is what works for me. So, kind of a New Year's resolution, I've gone back to eating from 4 pm until midnight. I've lost 5 pounds so far. So maybe eat in the 8 hours that are opposite on the clock from when you sleep? Good luck.

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MJSYKES - not 100% sure but would think so.

I have only been doing KETO since the start of the year. I am only eating lunch and dinner (usually at 11:30am and 5:30pm) and no snacks or late night eating. My weight loss has been really good - of course I am doing IF 16:8. I think the main thing is to try and keep your carbs low at dinner etc. Right now, my carbs are pretty even between lunch and dinner though I am trying to adjust that somewhat. My glucose has been better but still working on the morning readings. I know they take the longest to get down (if ever) emoticon

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Thanks for sharing these concerning experiments about eating late versus early in the day (I am a night owl). It is hard to know whether research examining "overweight" women on a presumably balanced diet (moderate or high carbs) is applicable to a morbidly obese man on a ketogenic diet.

In an attempt to extend the insulin-lowering benefits of my daily nighttime fast, I have been keeping my breakfast and evening snack very low in carbs (and relatively low in protein); my lunch and dinner are higher in carbs and protein. For example, I usually have cod liver oil and coffee with coconut oil for breakfast.

Do you think eating high fat and very low carbs at night would mitigate the harm of eating at night?

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Didn't get very far w/ this target/goal. -- A lot of it ties to both what time I get home, whether I've been doing I.F. during the day, AND what kind of day I've had.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure that my work schedule works well with eating my "big" meal in the AM. -- Seems like I will have to try this again during a different season of life.

Add to that, I have night owl "tendencies" which seems to further complicate a big shift like this.
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I'm currently working on maintaining the benefits of my last EF. I am going to try an honest attempt to NOT eat after 6 pm for 30 days. (It may be one of those "best-out-of", but something is better than not!)

* I found a few cravings Fri. PM, but got busy doing other things & they went away.
* All day Sat. was in fact better without any cravings. I made a point to grab the many veggies or fruits I have made available for myself.

So, for now...I'm 2 for 2!
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And emoticon for being part of the team!

If the mind mends, the body will follow.

Gluten free is working for me!

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this is a great topic. wanted to thank everyone for their input.

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emoticon Berry.

It is so nice that I feel comfortable tracking here so I can see what works for me. I track in another place too but it is so important to reinforce what is working for me here. I sometimes conveniently forget what works and then am distressed by higher blood glucose readings.

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@BECCABOO127 - Good for you for making a choice to adjust your PM eating. Glad you have the opportunity to make that bigger meal at lunch time.

@YOBETHIE - I had not heard of that movie, so thanks for sharing about it! I will have to check it out. And you are so right about the limits of what can be covered. (I also watched "The Magic Pill" and didn't feel I discovered anything new, but it did reinforce some things I already felt were true for me.)

Also, I totally get the limits on what one can do w/ regard to fasting, but I'm fairly certain that Dr. Fung would disagree w/ "one has to go 5 days to get any results". -- Fasting is a uniquely personal choice, and each one's body responds differently.

I also feel that Dr. Fung's perspective re. "health" is that any time we "rest" our body from the digestive process AND remove insulin from the equation, we offer our bodies a chance to recover & begin to improve our overall health. -- He's all about BALANCE of both feasting & fasting for the long haul. (Dr. Fung fasts for 2, 24 hr time frames each week, so he practices what he "preaches"!)

@BECCABOO127 - It was helpful for me to glean that timing info. so that I can pay attention to what my body is doing & ask myself whether food is the answer?! -- That's so awesome that you've seen such a marked changed in your FBG when you skip the later PM food/snacks.

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I get a benefit doing it daily. If I didn't do daily IF, I would be toast!

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Gluten free is working for me!

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I finished the movie, and it was worth the time. Some of the segments were kind of confusing, but as with "The Magic Pill" there is only so much one can cover in a movie. One of the "experts" in the "Fasting" movie said that you don't get benefit from fasting unless you go for at least five days - which isn't doable in my life at this time. Maybe later . . .

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emoticon for reminding me about that movie!

I have recently changed to cutting off my food after 6 pm daily. Then I do a 16 hr fast. It is helping my fasting blood glucose a lot!! 105 FBG today!

When I eat late at night then do I 16 hr fast, my FBG is significantly higher. FBG from 150 to 170.

emoticon so much for the info about timed eating!!

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I started watching that movie on Amazon Prime "Fasting" and the whole first part was about timing eating. They seemed to present evening eating as the worst . . . which is my husband's favorite time to eat.

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Great info Berry! My hunger is definitely greater at or after 8 pm. I am learning to just ignore it.

My main meal is lunch and a small dinner usually, but not too small as I will be extra hungry at night!

Yo, my former workplace had way too many treats. It was very food centric!

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I have noticed that many retired people eat their big meal in the middle of the day, but this is very difficult when one works. It is hard enough just not eating all the pastries left in the break room!

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Study 1:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2
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Study 2:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/a
bs/10.100
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From the CNN article:
"Another study followed two groups of overweight women with metabolic syndrome on identical 1,400-calorie weight loss diets for 12 weeks. The only difference between the groups was that their calories were distributed differently throughout the day: Both groups consumed 500 calories at lunch, but one group consumed 700 calories for breakfast and a 200-calorie dinner (the "big breakfast" group), while the other group ate 200 calories at breakfast and 700 calories at dinner (the "big dinner" group)."

"The nutrient content of the meals was exactly the same for both groups, the only difference being that the breakfast and dinner meals were swapped. After 12 weeks, the big breakfast group lost about 2˝ times more weight than big dinner group (8.7 pounds for big breakfast group vs. 3.6 pounds for big dinner group) and lost over 4 more inches around their waist."

Plus heart benefits...(noted in article)
AND: "The bigger breakfast group also experienced greater reductions in fasting glucose, insulin and insulin resistance scores, all of which indicate decreased risk for type 2 diabetes, according to the study's authors."

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I was somewhat shocked to read that in 1 study done w/ women, that those that ate their biggest meal at night all gained weight whereas those who ate their biggest meal in the AM maintained or lost. (All took in approx. 1400 similar calories during the whole day.)
www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/health
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This is from Dr. Fung's material:
idmprogram.com/eat-fast-break
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The same food will also elicit different insulin responses at different times of the day. Eating the same food at dinner (compared to breakfast) gives you almost 30% more insulin effect. In other words, food is more fattening when you eat it later at night. But the bad news for late eaters does not stop there. If you look at the circadian rhythm for hunger, you’ll find that hunger is lowest in the morning and greatest in the evening 8:00 pm or so.

Again, in a "perfect" world (not mine), I would revamp my eating style to probably making my "first" & "biggest" meal in the mid-day. However, my work life rarely allows for this reality, especially if I want to fix my own food (not processed!).

I will have to ponder on how to work with these suggestions for change. I honestly can't see my way to doing this right now...

Someone else has suggested that it may be why the Mediterranean Diet works for those that live there! They eat their biggest meal in the mid-day!
www.eatingwell.com/article/16372/8-w
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s-to-follow-the-mediterranean-diet-fR>or-better-health/


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