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10/9/13 1:37 P

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Ann & Birgit -

There is a group called OA (Overeaters Anonymous) in many (larger?) areas. Based on the "Big Book" of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous), it is a 12-step program for compulsive overeaters. Where the book says Alcholic, one instead inserts Compulsive Overeater, and "food" instead of "alchohol."

You're right (in my opinion, anyway LOL) - it is like being an alcoholic, Suzanne.

I was part of a few, wonderful groups in So Calif, years ago, and it really helped. Bottom line, as I understood it, is that we each have binge foods, and the object is to not eat them (abstain).

When we moved to a small area in Oregon, the group was more interested in talking about food, meeting to eat, and exchanging recipes. Fine for some, but not what I needed.

And over here now, where I live in Central England, there's no (strong) group either.

May I suggest looking into it? Or perhaps doing a little research on line. It's not for everyone,but it's great for many!

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10/9/13 11:15 A

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This is why I never cheat. It would be like an alcoholic having a drink.

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10/9/13 11:12 A

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Ann,
I've been thinking the same thing about this.
"We need a 12 step program for carb addiction."

I think it would be worth talking about whether it would be helpful and what it should look like. There are many things I like about 12 step programs, but also some I would change, especially one to be used online.
I think I'm going to start a topic to see what people think about it. emoticon

That way we can continue this thread without distracting from it as it is very interesting.

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10/9/13 11:07 A

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day 17 of phase one
yes I know 14 days but decided to stay with this until tomorrows weigh in
only 2 pounds lost disappointed but inches especially waist and roll under boobs???

small goal 160


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I am on plan. I haven't been counting anything in months, and I've been maintaining my weight.

As a diabetic off medication that I was on for nine years I am motivated. Should I eat extra carbs it isn't just body fat that I'll put on, but my blood sugar would instantly go into an unhealthy range.

There are no carb high things in my house. No potatoes, no rice, no cereals or grains.

James

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Ann - sometimes vacations do that to us. Time to get back on the horse. Your weight ticker looks good.

Sometimes eating lots of fat at first can help because it tells your brain that you are satisfied. I know I can eat 1 oz. of cheddar and not think about food for about 4 hours. Or natural peanut butter with a small piece of 85% cocoa - like Godiva Dark can help.

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10/9/13 6:30 A

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Birgit - my house is mostly cleared of bad foods now. I do fine in the a.m. and I generally am able to eat clean at night or on weekends.

Where I am falling down is at work or eating out. I pack low carb lunches and I keep my office stocked with healthy snacks like cheese or nut butter. But every day I am battling sugar or wheat cravings and I am finding that my resistance is very weak.

It is mostly psychological. I need to reach down and find the self-discipline I exercised when I started this a year ago. If I can get through at least a few days of totally clean eating, I should be back on track.

We need a 12 step program for carb addiction.

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Ann,
did you get all the foods you don't want to be tempted by out of the house? That's always the first step for me, even if it means throwing food out or, if unopened, giving it to a local food bank. emoticon
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I have not been on plan for a few weeks now. I fell off the wagon while we had a family member visit in mid Sept. and have still not succeeded in getting back on plan.

Every day I wake up with the intention to avoid sugar, grains, etc. and most days I fail, sometimes miserably.

I feel like a hopeless junkie.

Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage. Anais Nin


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I was off plan for one week of my pregnancy, that is true. But, I pulled it together. Despite constant nausea and a huge aversion to meat, I stayed on plan the rest of the time. Hardest thing I have ever done.

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What Birgit said.

I usually stay around 25-45 net carbs. Some days are higher, I sometimes slip up. It's been about a year since I began consistently posting here and it has helped immensely. I no longer feel like if I mess up I can throw in the towel for the rest of day and eat whatever I want. I get back on track with the next meal instead of waiting for the next day. I also get headaches from too much sugar, and stomach issues from too much wheat so I am learning that if I do cheat, it has to be in small amounts because the side effects aren't worth it. I think Suzanne is the rare person who can consistently stay on plan. I could not eat the same thing or same few things day after day. I am only about 1-2 pounds from my goal weight, but if I never get there, I'm OK with that. Before my hysterectomy I was 5 pounds heavier and couldn't seem to get below 155. Not sure why the 5 pounds came off after surgery, but now I can't seem to get below 151. My weight only fluctuates a couple pounds each month depending on water retention so I am maintaining. Like many others, I think this way of life is a journey and a constant learning process.

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The last couple weeks I suck at the lifestyle. If I'm busy I don't have time to cook. When the groceries are getting low there isn't much I can just grab. I do so tire of meat and/cheese and salads get pretty dull. It can be quite a struggle. Tonight I'm making ragu and skipping the pasta. I miss lentils, I used to put them in things as filler- a throw back to school lunch days when they waived the meat over the lentils and called it taco meat, but I liked it. Faux only goes so far. I did enjoy the Paleo Pancakes on Sunday (with Smuckers sugar free jam and butter), and I make a cheese danish with Revolution Rolls, cream cheese and jam. I can make a casserole so that I have some to grab but if I'm the only one home, it will either go to waste or I eat it till I'm sick of it-some of that stuff freezes and some doesn't.

I guess it's a balancing act we all need to get used to. I wholeheartedly agree with the LC lifestyle, but when we've been raised with the foods around us, it's a difficult habit to break- especially if you aren't losing weight. I also love beer! Good beer, and I've not gone to some functions that I'd have liked because there'd be good beer there. I try to plan for such things but that doesn't always work out. Being a foodie that loves to cook it's hard too- I see a recipe and think of how I could change it and still have it taste the way it should, or think to myself, nope- can't have that, can't have that, skip, next, etc.

Then we have my 6' 1" hub that can eat ANYTHING and loads of it and never gain an ounce and who has better numbers than I do. If he were to be home tonight, I'd be making pasta for him and a good sized chunk of garlic bread- it's hard to make separate meals when I want the garlic bread, tortellini, etc. It gets discouraging, especially if you are struggling along with other aspects of your life.

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I am on plan 95% of the time. Will be 90%, as of this week, because my birthday is Thursday and I will have a slice of chocolate cake. Just a little one.My family will come over, or we will meet up at my grandfather's house, since he's 91 and doesn't drive at night. But, like with his birthday last week, I won't be gorging on the cookies and no huge portions.

Other than grandpa's bday and two stray cookies this past weekend, I have eaten totally clean since 9/9.

I have some rules for myself, too:
- I try not to eat a ton of calories. Even though we are tracking carbs, I also try not to eat over 1300 calories.
- I don't like or eat fake foods, which I consider protein shakes, Atkins bars, etc. I know some people like them, and that's fine, I just don't like the taste.
- I try not eat after 9pm at night, just because studies have shown it's not good for digestion or weight to eat late.

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10/7/13 6:10 P

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Even when you're pregnant? Never say never!

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10/7/13 6:02 P

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Yes, I am that person. I never eat off plan.

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10/7/13 5:48 P

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If part of the "plan" is to go off the "plan"occasionally, then YES! I'm on plan! lol

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I feel like I am on plan by keeping my carbs under 30 grams. Then, the rest of the formula I have to tweak. There are only two parts of the formula left - fat and protein. (Well, 3 parts if you count calories because some of us have to count those, too.)

I like the pie chart to see how I am doing on my intake because I am more of a visual person. My goal is 30 grams (10% for me) and fat is 60% and protein is 30% - I believe that equals 100%. I had been trying for higher fat, but have found that some of us can't do the higher fat for whatever reasons.

I'm also hypoglycemic, insulin resistant and trying to avoid being put on Type II meds.

I am of the mindset, "Whatever works." It's up to the individual to find out what works for them. We can read about other's experiences and issues and decide to either apply them to our nutrition plan or not. I think I've said this before, but it sure would be easier if we all came with an owner's manual.

As for cheat days or meals or snacks, is there someone here so strong, they stay on plan all the time? I know my Type I diabetic nephew still cheats once in a while. I usually end up paying for cheat days with a headache the next day, so I don't do it often.

The main thing most of the low carb diets have in common is just that - low carb. Most books I have read agree that it is under 50 grams.

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10/7/13 3:35 P

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I love the question, yet I have very mixed feelings about answering it. I really have two answers as I'm developing my own philosophy about eating. I am in one sense on plan as of this morning, because yesterday I had frozen yogurt including a few chocolate chips. The frozen yogurt was full-fat and relatively low-carb. I also had too much fruit. This has happened quite a bit over the summer and it still does. These things will not affect my weight but they do affect my blood sugar. They do not cause cravings if the sugar stays pretty low, while sugar substitutes on a regular basis do. To keep my blood sugar in ideal range my carbs need to stay under 50 grams/day.
In another sense I am on plan, as I have not had a single day with carbs over 100 and very few with carbs over 80 grams/day, my intended limit.
The fluctuations are an accepted part of my eating and exercising lifestyle, something that happens when I have little time, more work, more stress, less sleep or a combination of all these things. For me, not being a perfectionist is very important and an improvement over what I did years ago. It keeps me from feeling that I might as well eat the whole box of chocolates if I decided to have one.
In a sense I don't even want to use the term "on plan" any more. I don't have any problem if someone else does and it works for them. But I rather be prepared that life throws me curve balls sometimes and I will overreact to them at times. That's ok! Tomorrow (or, even better, in five minutes) I can go back on track. So I'm on plan as in living my life to the fullest whenever possible. This relates to my work, my family, my exercise, my eating habits, my hobby. I never again want food to dominate my life, either in the way of eating far too much or far too little, or in the sense of obsessing about getting it just right.
Mark Sisson talks about getting it right 80% of the time. I guess I'm shooting for a little higher than that because of the need to keep diabetes/pre-diabetes at bay, maybe 90-95%.
So far it works reasonably well, but there are definitely ups and downs.
Birgit

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I pretty much stay on plan. I think some of my problem may be eating too many calories or maybe eating too much of on plan stuff like cheese or salami, etc.

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When I am on plan, I am on it really well. But when I am not, I am in binge mode. Trying to work through the emotions in therapy and why I want to eat when I am not hungry. Hard stuff for me.

When I am on plan, I do really well, and lose steadily. SIGH I just need to stay on it (if "just" is so easy!).

I don't use artificial sweeteners in my coffee anymore, eat sugar-free foods (I was binge-ing on the sugar-free candy) or try low carb things that are replacements for "regular" (that is, HIGH CARB) foods. I DO chew gum, sugar-free, to be honest, as my mouth wants to be working all the time, and it helps.

I must be close to eating 95% protein, not counting the fats! That is, in addition to fats (butter, heavy cream and mayo), about all I eat is protein, whether it's meat, poultry or fish. I DO eat shirataki noodles (or similar style, same ingredients just looks like noodles, or rice or penne) for fiber and I feel fuller with those.

So far, so good -- my difficulty is staying on. Not because of the seemingly limited number of "allowed" foods, but because my emotions can take over and I want to go for the garbage -- part of my self-destructive side, I suppose. Maybe not this time?

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I'm always on plan.
I won't take a bite of anything sugar. Or wheat. Ever!
What is faux-food anyhow? Pretend food?

I have no problem eating food that is made a low carb healthy way, like crustless cheesecake made with stevia. Or Oopsie rolls, or low carb fudge... Why not? I guess maybe these are triggers for some people.????
But I rather enjoy eating low carb, so why not have fun with it.
Faux food here I come!!!

My weight loss has been slow and steady. However, I have noticed that the more I lose, the faster it is coming off. I lost 25 pounds in the last year. 5 pounds just in the last 2 weeks. The rate of weight loss is increasing I would gather this being to insulin and leptin levels returning to normal.


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I'm always on plan, but my plan is pretty forgiving. I've lost/maintained for almost 2 and a half years. The loss right now is a snail's pace, but it's still trending down, and I have absolutely no fear about maintaining.

I almost feel like I've invented a new niche way of eating that's exactly between a weight-loss diet and a maintenance diet.

Honestly, both of those concepts leave me a little skeptical. They come packed with a hidden assumption that you will have to work hard to somehow artificially sustain compliance. And consequently you see a lot of yo-yoing and backsliding. I find it much simpler to just make hard and fast rules and then, um, try to never break them.

Rule: Not more than a bite of grains, ever. That allows me a smidgen of breading left on the fish after I've scraped the rest off or a bite of my sister's homemade perogis.

Rule: Never have a full piece of ANYTHING high carb. Yeah I'll sample the brownies at work, or the locally specialty donuts from Oram's in Beaver Falls, but it's a bite and that's that. Does my blood sugar go up and do I crave another bite? Hell yeah, this is insulin we're talking here! Meh. It passes after an hour or so. I just drink more water and move on.

Rule: Keep "faux-foods" to a minimum. Yes, I'll make a pumpkin bake once in a while, or microwaved cheese "crackers", but I'm really skeptical about trying to replace foods that I'm trying not to eat anymore. It's nice to have a couple of go-to's on my "weak" weeks, but honestly, we should not be eating bread or breadlike things on a regular basis.

I have a lot of other little rules, but those are the main ones.

I will take this fat off the way it got here, about 5 pounds a year, steadily. Works for me.

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I've spent the past year or so alternating between long-term maintenance and brief attempts to lose a few more pounds of fat beyond my stated goal, reached some time ago.

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I was doing pretty well until we went on vacation! I hope to get back to my turtle-crawl-losing when we get home.

I've been at this for so long, the loss isn't as easy as it was in the beginning. That's not the fault of the lifestyle... it's that there's two of us here eating on different schedules (and one isn't as dedicated to it as the other!) I need to tighten up. When I'm home and eating according to my plan, I do okay. Slow, but going, anyway.

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Um, I am on plan. Doing goood since 9/23, I am making it work this time.

Started at 195.8 , today I am at 187.8. -8lbs lost. This might be a slow loss for some but I am glad I didn't give up right away. My tom time totally changed on me this month and that is probably why I have not had a quick loss like a lot of people. Now my weight is going down again. Also not yet with my pants, but my shirts feel like they are not as tight. ( I know don't look at the scale., but it's hard. I have looked at a scale everyday since 2007!)

For me it's all about keeping my food interesting and cooking it in enough time so I am not starving.

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How many here are really on plan? Not cheating and either losing or maintaining?
I am ten years on plan, lost my weight and have been maintaining it. I did get pregnant in there, but lost it right away and have been maintaining it.

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