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10/2/14 11:22 P

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You are right Angie.

It's not like we're losing 20-30 lbs. We all here have lots to lose and every once in awhile our body has to catch up with our losses. We just need to stay consistent and tweak occasionally and we will lose the weight:)

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10/2/14 3:27 P

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Also, you ARE GOING TO plateau. Do not let it get you down. I am only losing around 4 lbs per month right now and I plateau every few weeks for a couple to a few weeks so it seems VERY slow but the progress I am making is amazing.

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10/2/14 3:24 P

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With 16 - 1800 a day you will definitely lose weight as long as you're exercising as well. Good luck!! You can do it!!

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10/1/14 9:53 A

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I was thinking about that last night too! The diet industry rakes in billions every year. God forbid everyone should lose weight and get healthy:)



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10/1/14 8:31 A

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Oh, yeah. So much easier to gain than lose. You can gain so much in just a couple of days then it takes weeks if not longer to lose it. Frustrating as heck.

And, I agree, there is as TON of misinformation there. Some of it is on purpose*, some of it is because no one really knows how the body works.

* Dig deep and you'll find that many studies are financed by the diet industry.

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10/1/14 1:43 A

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:::nods::: I can regain much more quickly than lose it. It's not hard to overeat goodies... (sighs)

emoticon and, if they could like suck it all off with a vacuum without it hurting, I would be tempted! or the flick of a magic wand!

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9/30/14 10:12 P

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What gets me is that losing 1-2 lbs. a week, let's average that out to 6 lbs. a month. I can gain that all back in 1 binge day, sigh.

But that's me and it sucks:)

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There is certainly more than one way to skin a cat or lose weight, but I would agree with Dusty that there is a boatload of myths and mis-information perpetuated in weight-loss/diet communities. It's not easy to debunk, and it won't clear up until the word is out.

I appreciate a place to talk about it, all the new/emerging information, when people share their opinion & experiences, and when it comes down to brass tacks, I need to do what is both healthy and emotionally tolerable for me balanced with real medical risks of obesity/serious reasons to shed weight (and keep it off.)

I have been trying to do that for decades, and oh how I wish it was easier mentally. Sometimes it is, and that's when I tend to make progress.

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9/30/14 3:22 P

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That might be your experience, Dusty, and of some people you know, but my experience and the experience of some others is that slow and steady wins the race and that low calorie diets *do* affect your metabolism.

I can pull out my binge eating group binder and give you studies, but then I'm sure you could pull out just as many studies saying different things. I don't want to go there. As in politics and religion, with weight loss there is no One True Answer.

Honestly, I don't think the medical profession has a freaking clue what works so I go with what makes the most sense to me.

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Slower or faster... I just wish it was easier!!! LOL

I really get confused with the changing information. The last I heard was a study showed changes in metabolism rates from low calorie dieting does not permanently damage the metabolism, which is good news indeed.

dh's doctors have been pushing rapid weight loss by either intermittent fasting or low carb/moderate protein (very little animal proteins). dh didn't like the way either sounded, and has opted for calorie counting and likes the mix/match flexibility. I like the myplate and food exchange programs for the same reasons, I like flexibility and variety.

Not sure the *diet plan* matters so much. They are just a tool to help us figure out how much and what to eat, and we can always rearrange that. The hardest part for me has always been to not overeat. I always thought it would be fun if every day and every meal were a party!

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9/29/14 11:30 P

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Chances of keeping the weight off or gaining it back has nothing to do with how fast or slow someone loses weight (as long as your nutrition is on target).

At what I weigh and most here 1-2 lbs. just isn't doing it:)

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9/29/14 7:03 P

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However, your metabolic base line *can* be lowered by eating too few calories for too long a period. Your normal calorie needs reset to a lower level resulting in having to near starve yourself to continue to lose weight. That is another reason why it is recommended you aim to lose only 1 to 2 pounds per week. Any nutritionist with experience in eating disorders will tell you this.

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9/28/14 11:01 P

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No apologies necessary Jeanne!

Here's one post from our Coach Dean that might help (scroll down to it):

Starvation mode explained by Coach Dean
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9/28/14 10:57 P

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Sorry Dusty just using the terms that SP has been using for it. Will be more careful about giving advice.

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9/28/14 9:51 P

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I get concerned when people start using the term "Starvation Mode".

Starvation mode is a myth.

"When you severely cut calories and lose weight, your metabolism may make a slight adjustment, allowing it to temporarily run on fewer calories. But its an insignificant (if it happens at all) for the typical dieter. A significant decrease in metabolic activity only happens in true starvation. In other words, when someone IS starving, emaciated, AND still losing weight NOT when you are overweight and at a plateau."

I wish more would do research on this subject and be careful of misinformation:)

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9/28/14 9:39 A

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Hi Flash - I hope you got it all worked out! I find that SP gives more calories than other diet plans also. However, it is important not to go into starvation mode too. I know that WW gives a LOT less calories through their points system. My sister does it. I guess you just find what works best for you. Best wishes!

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9/25/14 11:52 A

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Also, see if you can get them to do a thyroid test on you. When my doctor found out I had hypothyroidism and gave me medication for it, it became much easier to lose weight.

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9/24/14 11:44 P

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Obesity can be a symptom of diabetes or PCOS. Did your doctor test you for diabetes? If not, there's an a1c test you can buy at Walmart for $9. You mail it in and they send you the results. It's cheaper than having it done at a lab, even with insurance.

Problems with periods can definitely be caused by obesity...obese women have too much estrogen in their bodies and that puts us at higher risk of developing some female cancers. That's what really got me motivated to lose weight, scary female health issues I was having.

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9/24/14 11:22 P

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I think what I am going to do is stick with what I am doing but increase my upper limit to 1600 and try and vary my calories a bit - which is something I have heard suggested various places to prevent your body from going in to starvation mode. It could very well just be that my metabolism is appalling and I just need to crank that up. I do fear plateauing though and then not having much room to adjust my calories ... but I guess I cross that bridge when I come to it, need to get off the starting line first lol.

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Thanks! It isn't at all beyond the realms of possibility that I have miscalculated or misunderstood something lol numbers are most certainly not my strong suit.

I am definitely not miscalculating portion sizes, I weigh, count etc literally every morsel I put in my mouth and if I absolutely HAVE to estimate I generally over-estimate to be safe lol. I suspect that there is something medically amiss however I have been to several doctors who have all told me that any symptoms I have (i.e. no period) are related to my obesity, instead of giving me the benefit of the doubt and assuming for more than two seconds that it could be that my obesity is a symptom in itself rather than the cause of everything that ever happens medically. Unfortunately I don't have the finances to push the issue so I am left with desperately trying to get the weight off in spite of anything that could be wrong. And I will. Of course, there could be absolutely nothing wrong with me medically also.

I eat ridiculous amounts of veg, but I do need to do a better job of balancing out protein vs carbs as I am such a carbaholic lol. Thanks again!

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9/24/14 10:25 P

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When I weighed 400 lbs, the BMR calculator I used said my BMR was 2500. So I'm wondering if you might have an error in your calculations, if 2500 is 1000 below your BMR. I just put your stats in a calculator and it said 2041 was your BMR.


There are a few reasons why you might not be losing weight at 1200 calories a day...

1.Time of month...if you still have periods, you can retain water and it seems like there is no loss, then the next week the scale takes a sudden downward jump.

2.Undiagnosed health problems (I couldn't lose weight when my diabetes was uncontrolled, for example)

3.Miscalculation of portion sizes or calories

If 1600 calories feels like it will work for you, then try it.

What you eat is as important as how many calories you eat. If you're filling up on carbs, that will increase hunger and cravings for more carbs. Beans and veggies would be my suggestion for a vegan. Protein and fiber are your friends when you're trying to lose weight and not feel hungry all the time.





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9/24/14 9:53 P

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Of course! I am really little haha - 152cm (4ft 9in), 319lb and I would put myself somewhere in between sedentary and lightly active, depends on the day... I suffer from anxiety & depression so if I'm having a bad day it will be not much, I don't get out and ACTIVELY exercise frequently (anxiety) but most days I am on my feet most of the day cleaning, gardening etc.

Yip I'm vegan, so there aren't all that many options I can resort to that aren't junky kind of foods or carbs i.e. bread/pasta to up my calories (not that I have anything against carbs, I love me some carbs... but they already make up a big portion of my caloric intake so eating more of them is not something I think wise lol).

Thank you Jeanne that is very helpful! My fear is putting myself into starvation mode and inadvertently sabotaging my efforts. I guess it's all a matter of trial and error, which is annoying when you want instant gratification lol but I know it doesn't work that way! Also, discombobulated is an amazing word.

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9/24/14 9:49 P

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Hi there FLASH - It all depends on how much you are exercising per day! I stick with the low range of my calories on what Spark figures for me and it automatically increases it for me when I exercise which helps fuel my body. Now as my weight goes down so will the calories I can eat. So it's a magic formula that I am too discombobulated to figure out for myself! I depend on SP to figure it for me and so far I am losing about 2 pounds a week! I don't know if that helps or not but what I suggest you try is follow the SP suggestions for a couple of weeks and if you don't see a loss then tweak it a bit. But the one thing you want to get out of the habit of doing is putting yourself in starvation mode where you don't lose and can even gain because your body thinks that it's not going to be getting enough to live on! I weight 318.6 and I live a fairly sedentary life when I am not exercising and right now and my LOW range is around 1600 calories when I don't exercise so take what you will from that.

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9/24/14 9:45 P

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Hi Tammy!

You don't say how tall you are, your current weight and your average activity level is.

Are you still a vegan? (Not that that matters, just curious:)


Read through this thread and see if it helps:
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Hi all, I am a bit confused and need a bit of help. I have been eating 1200 calories/day for a couple of weeks and I lost weight in the first week but not the second so I figure there is no need to torture myself with so few calories if it isn't helping and after learning about how that was not a sensible idea, I decided to up my calories. However, Sparkpeople recommends I consume between 2000 and 2500 cal/day and based on my BMR other websites recommend 2500 minimum (as this is 1000 below my BMR). This is a HUGE amount of calories for me to consume and on your average day I would need to eat more than I do ordinarily to achieve this and it feels counter-intuitive. So, I guess I need advice and other's experiences. My temptation is to stick to 1600-1800 cal/day (which still feels like heaps) because I just cannot bring myself to take it any higher than that, but is this enough ... or too much?

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