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Ah, but here is the rub ... organic farmers cannot get non genetically modified soy beans.

Six companies in the world control 98% of seed sales ... they are Monsanto, Syngenta, DuPont, Mitsui, Ventis, and Dow ... this is according to Barbara Kingsolver's book Animal, Vegetable, Miracle. They sell only genetically modified soy bean seeds.

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Soy and thyroid
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/soy
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See this article in it’s entirety. Let’s spell it out so we can enjoy SOME soy fresh and modestly. - Article is shortened
On the other side of the issue are the opponents of soy, who believe that soy is a toxin, and is particularly toxic to thyroid patients. Various experts and organizations, ranging from Dr. Joseph Mercola to the Weston Price Foundation, are vocally opposed to soy. In the middle, there are experts who suggest that some soy -- as long as it is in unprocessed food form, or fermented forms, and not genetically modified -- may be safe for thyroid patients, as long as it's eaten only in moderation.

There is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen, demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans. Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase which makes T3 and T4. Isoflavones belong to the flavonoid or bioflavonoid family of chemicals, and are considered endocrine disruptors -- plants or other products that act as hormones, disrupting the endocrine system, and in some cases, this disruption involves acting as an anti-thyroid agent. (The grain millet, for example, contains high levels of flavonoids, and is commonly known as problematic for thyroid function). Flavonoids inhibit thyroid peroxidase (TPO), which disturbs proper thyroid function. This study found that the frequency of feedings with soy-based milk formulas in early life was noticeably higher in children with autoimmune thyroid disease, and thyroid problems were almost triple in those soy formula-fed children compared to their siblings and healthy unrelated children. Dr. Fitzpatrick even believes that long-term feeding with soy formulas inhibits TPO to such an extent that long-term elevated TSH levels can also raise the risk of thyroid cancer.
For further research yourself check out this website and this article in full.
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Here's the answer about hexane from the EPA.

Hazard Summary-Created in April 1992; Revised in January 2000

Hexane is used to extract edible oils from seeds and vegetables, as a special-use solvent, and as a cleaning agent. Acute (short-term) inhalation exposure of humans to high levels of hexane causes mild central nervous system (CNS) effects, including dizziness, giddiness, slight nausea, and headache. Chronic (long-term) exposure to hexane in air is associated with polyneuropathy in humans, with numbness in the extremities, muscular weakness, blurred vision, headache, and fatigue observed. Neurotoxic effects have also been exhibited in rats. No information is available on the carcinogenic effects of hexane in humans or animals. EPA has classified hexane as a Group D, not classifiable as to human carcinogenicity.

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I am just going with the "everything in moderation" school of thought. I try to make the healthiest choices, but I'm not willing to totally give up broccoli, and although I will cut out soymilk and soy meat subs, I will still take soy isoflavones a few times a month, because for me the benefits out-weigh the costs. I still totally appreciate hearing all the newest info and using what I can.

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Thanks PeachesII! It pays to do research. emoticon

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I just did a quick search (not any exhaustive research) and found that it is a myth that flax oil suppresses thyroid.

My nutritionist actually recommends that I take flax oil and she is working with my doctor in getting me healthy from Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I believe she really knows her stuff, so I don't think there is a problem with flax seed oil and thyroid.

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Awww, man! Flaxseed? Well I want to thank you for the tips on the other grains and seeds we can use. emoticon

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We subsidize the American soy farmer. We pay for the many grants to research soy versatility. In soil it replaces some of the nitrogen and nutrients depleted by other harvested plants. If the public knew about it we might eat less and sponsor less. If we knew about the thousands of truths they love for us to ‘not know’ they can control us and the all mighty $$ power. Amaranth, quinoa, buckwheat (a grass not a wheat) are a few other seeds and grain choices to try. I heard that flax is similar in thyroid effecting properties.

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that is good to know. I have probably been eating soy in everything, i had no clue. thank you.

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I eat gluten free, dairy free, and soy free ... when I dropped the soy, the weight finally started coming off and I stopped retaining water! My FT3 and FT4 changed quite a bit after that.

My wonderful husband does our shopping and he checks everything to make sure that we aren't getting any soy or soy by-products (milk or gluten).

Friday my husband was shopping at Whole Foods and he mentioned to the gal behind the counter that the previous week they had confirmed that although the beef satay marinade says "canola oil," it is really made with soy oil and they still hadn't changed the sign ... so the meat manager overheard it and came over and asked, "oh, are you the one that called?" My husband told them, no, but that this is serious and they need to get if fixed.

Finally the store manager came by and my husband related the story and she told them to go and fix the sign immediately.

You need to be persistent - trust, but verify - and let people know that it isn't just a preference, but a health matter. Maybe then we can drive the soy out.

Here are some suggestions: Chocolate - try Enjoy Life GF, SF, and CF (Casein Free) chocolate chips made with evaporated cane juice; Mayonnaise - try Spectrum Canola Mayonnaise (GF, SF, CF); Butter substitute - try Earth Balance Soy Free spread (GF, CF, SF).

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Pam? depends...are you eating the exact same level of soy every day? If not then your levels will fluctuate. Also depends how sensitive your system is to things in general. Considering myself as an example....I take baby doses of everything because that is how sensitive my system is. After foot surgery I took advil or alleve because it worked...I still have 28.5 of the 30 pain pills they gave me because they would put me to sleep for 2 days if I took a whole one. Saying that- eating soy really affects me...I won't give up hot n sour soup from my local chinese place but I sure know I'm going to be slow moving for a couple days if I go there. And yes....it reflects when my doc tests me if I was there the day before.

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I would love your recipe. Funny thing is I already use cranberries in my cole slaw. I also use the mayo made with olive oil. It only has 5 grams of fat. Thanks in advance for your recipe. emoticon

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I think that it's up to us to stay informed. I read about the soy and thyroid meds connection, and asked my doc about it. He told me to limit my use of soy milk and totally AVOID soy based protein shakes. When I consider that my doc spends little time during an office visit, if I don't ask him questions -- I get almost NO info except for lab results. After drinking soy milk for years, I switched to almond milk.

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hello maggie, I don't blame you for not wanting to give up cole slaw. I have a great recipe if you are interested. if you like cranberries and limes i think you would love what i have to offer. And yes it is a cole slaw. I will wait for your response Patches1961

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I am learning a lot too, but I am not giving up cole slaw

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I've asked all my doctors, including my endocrinologist about soy. Some have suggested that even if soy does interfere with absorption of meds, or somehow compromise thyroid function, TSH levels would reflect this and medication would be adjusted accordingly. Thoughts? Curious as to whether others have discussed this with their doctors.

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MAN!! Thanks for the postings--I had no idea about the veg or the soy. Been taking meds for my thyroid for about 4 years now. Never knew. This site is waking me up to a lot of things.

Have a great weekend all!!

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I went to a homeopath/medical doc, and now am with an endocrinologist (my 3rd) that I love....neither of them felt that there was any problem with broc/cauliflower/cabbage. I was very surprised because I had read it in several places. I am pretty sure they are incorrect, so it's up to me to police myself. I hadn't heard of the soy issue. I will definitely do some more research, and cut back on my soy intake.
I was on Synthroid, then generic, and now happily on Armour. Thanks for the info.

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Thanks for the informaiton on soy. I have been on synthyroid for over 20 years, and I wasn't aware of this... i guess I just take the meds without thinking and haven't read the insert for years. I am going to go do that right now... Wonder what else I am doing wrong. I love soy milk.

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I didn't know about cruciferous vegetables. I'll make sure eat them cooked from now on.

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l gather you are owned by a cat?! Just loved your 7 Dwarves of Hypothyroidism--Exactly how l feel a lot of the time. Don't know anyone else that suffers from this disease--so good to read what other people are saying.

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I had heard about soy and the cruciferous vegetables. I am happy to learn I can eat cabbage as long as it is slightly steamed. I had given it up altogether.
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I'm learning a lot by reading this thread. I'd already heard about broccoli and cauliflower needing to be steamed or cooked first, but didn't realize soy was a problem.

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I try my best to avoid it, but sometimes it just isn't possible because its in EVERYTHING!!!

I also avoid soybean oil.

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You are right, soy L. IS technically made from soy, but if you want to put it in kindergarten terms it is basically like Splenda and Sugar. Both are made from sugar and technically still sugar, but splenda has been chemically altered, so..does it really constitute it as sugar still? Soy Lethicin is a by product of soy yes, but it's been chemically altered. Our bodies already have enough issues. Do we really want to start mixing the pot more?

It's really a shame there is soy L. and soy oil in a ton of food :\ . Don't they know we have thyroid issues and the world revolves around our needs, or should? ;)

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Yup, that was basically my point. In the US we get an idea that something is good, and have the more is better mentality. So if a little is healthy a TON must be REALLY healthy, but it doesn't work that way. Same as most supplements, it is healthier to get your nutrients from food, your body is made to use themthat way. But, if you buy a Fiber One bar with added vitamins, or even breakfast cereal or bread that is enriched, it is not the best way for your body to get those minerals. It is better to eat it in the natural form.

Oh, and I looked up the soy lecithin too, what the heck is hexane and is it realy safe for us? It sounds like a poison.



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MM? If you ever visit the orient and Japan you see they don't eat soy as a staple but more of as a condiment. Americans are trying to use it as a cure all and it's not something our bodies are made to use in these quantities. If the east ate it in our quantities they would suffer the same detriments.

www.mercola.com/article/soy/index.ht
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Soy lecithin is made from soy....it's a by-product of making soy oil.

www.soyconnection.com/soyfoods/pdf/S
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This is why you are SUPPOSED TO READ THE PATIENT INSERTS with your medications. Mine have always said that soy should be watched. I read my inserts each and every time I get a med whether it's new or NOT. New info always comes out.

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Look for the words "soy lethicin" or "soy lecithin" (I know it's one of the two.) This is NOT real soy and that is what the garden burger and Morningstar use for their soy products. It's the equivalant of sugar and aspartame. One is real and one is synthetic. There is a great book called "The Raw Food Detox Diet" and it's an amazing book that explains why soy is so bad and also milk (since someone brought up milk below.)

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My husband and I had an interesting dicussion about soy the other day. We are following the paleo diet, which means no beans, since they can't be eaten raw, this includes soybeans. Soy is very high in lectin, which in some forms is poisonous to humans, and although it is destroyed when cooked, all of the subsatnace does not get cooked off, only enough to take away the toxic properties.

Of course we both wondered why soy, since it has the most of this substance can be eaten by the Japanese, etc. without the harmful side effects we seem to be seeing in America. Right now my husband is reading a book, "In Defense of Food" and the author touches on this. He said that in Japan they have perfected the use of soy, and have centuries old methods of making it safe. In the U.S. we take everything to the extreme.

If lycopene is good for the prostate, well then let us make a supplement. But, the supplement does not contain the fat that the body needs to metabolize the lycopene, so you are wasting your money. Same thing with milk. You need fat to absorb vitamin D and calcium, so supplements taken without food are a waste of time, so is skim milk.

The same thing happened with soy. We put it into everything, but we don't process it correctly, so the benefits are lost.



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The first thing that I did once I was diagnosed was to do a search on the internet of things NOT to eat.

That is how I found out about soy (which I ate quite a bit of) and cruciferous vegetables (cabbage, broccoli, etc...) They contain goitrogens. Just make sure you lightly steam/cook them first.

www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=ge
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I am a nurse and I never heard it either until just a few weeks ago on this board.

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soy and thyroid meds do not mix I had to cut back on my soy beans and soy emoticon

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Good! I'm so glad that it's more prevalently realized than in my personal experience. It makes me feel a lot better. I get a little nervous sometimes when I hear all the praises of soy. Like EVERYTHING, it needs moderation.

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I suppose that it depends on what community you are in...because I knew the problem with babies and soy formula (even though I have no children). It was also one of the reasons my doctor wanted me to wait until I had cut back on soy before starting my on thyroid replacement. A lot of people get transient hypothyroidism from soy products. In fact, it is so common in infants that many places, like the UK, require that isoflavones be removed from any soy formula to curtail the problem.

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This whole scenerio reminds me of the 'Drink Milk--it does a body good' commercial of yesteryear...now we have come sooooooo far... or have we?
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A trip to my doctor last Spring taught me something incredibly important as a hypothyroid patient that I wish I would have known SO much sooner. I am a vegetarian, and because I'm hypothyroid I struggle with keeping my weight down. Those two things in combination mean I was opting to use a LOT of soy products: soy milk, tofu, vegan cheeses, soy crisps and chips, etc. I was still suffering from a fair amount of lethargy, which I told my doctor during my checkup. After chatting awhile about my diet and stress/activity levels, he looked at me and said:

"You know that soy blocks the uptake of your thyroid medication, right?"

...I was totally stunned. No, of course I didn't know. If I had known I wouldn't have based my entire diet around a food that was interferring with my treatment.

I stopped eating and drinking soy products after that (as much as I could, soy is in nearly everything) and within a week it was a world of difference. I was more alert, had more energy, and wasn't suffering the gastrointestinal problems and gas I had been experiencing for so long that I'd learned to ignore.

Why this is not common knowledge I do not know. My guess is the soy manufacturers want to keep soy's reputation up as the sort of miracle food it has. Don't get me wrong--soy is great stuff, and goodness knows I miss my soy milk (it tastes so much better!!!) For those of us who take medication for our thyroids, however, I think this is very important to know.

I haven't really provided any hard resources here, but it's readily available information. Common, but not flaunted information, I suppose I should say. Just type in soy and thyroid on a search engine. You'd be surprised what you'll find.

Good luck and happy living!

"The wild creatures of this earth are as milk to the human spirit; to destroy them is to starve our souls." --from Dragon's Milk by Susan Fletcher
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