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7/1/11 7:39 P

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Right, it does. Read Killer Joe's entire sparkpage if you want to read the story of someone who more or less cured diabetes with weight loss, good diet, and exercise. What he did isn't really medically advisable, but I sure love a good "showing the doctor who's boss" story.

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7/1/11 2:34 P

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My understanding is that exercise is also supposed to improve insulin sensitivity, too. That could be a little important to a diabetic!

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6/25/11 12:07 P

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Make sure to emphasize that muscles burn more calories than fat. Tell him if he gets fit while he's dieting, he can loose faster.

This was a big motivation for me early in my journey. Now that's I've seriously changed my fat/muscle ratio (I've lost more fat % than weight) I have freedom of movement and love it for it's own sake.

Maybe he'll get as excited about fitness as he is about his diet changes.

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excellent input

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5/1/11 4:51 P

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There are easier ways to build muscle and easier ways to cut. Give me a trainee with a will and access to a gym, and rather than X I'd have them start on SS, eating just the barest bit above maintenance for 8 weeks, then add interval training, body weight circuits, and walking while eating below maintenance for 5 weeks. I posit we could get the same results as the X with a lower time investment and better useful strength at the end of the time.

P90X's yoga sucks, kenpo is a waste of time, and Ab Ripper X isn't really the most effective type of core training. Also, because X is limited to dumbbells and body weight exercises for legs, it is very limited in its ability to build strength.

So while, yes, it's not the right thing for me, I also posit that unless you definitely don't have access to a gym or own any barbells or a squat rack it is not the most efficient way to achieve any specific goal - for anyone. It's simply a very compromised program - of necessity I'll admit. And I'm not 100% saying it doesn't have its good points. I -am- saying that for most people you could put together a "better" program even choosing from the P90X tapes if you wanted to - especially if you could replace tapes or add other exercises.

I'm also not saying that X wasn't good or effective for us. But I feel like I've moved up a notch in my understanding of training since, so yes I'm not quite as much a fanboy as I was last year. Note that I said "kind of" a waste of time. But consider that since I started doing NROL4W, I have spent less than 3 hours a week in the gym - and that includes periods of bulking as well as cutting with results that I believe are roughly equivalent to X. I estimate that I used to spend 9 hours a week doing X. I'd rather see people exercise for 3 hours a week, spend an extra few hours a week making sure they have great dietary control, and then have some extra time to do something they enjoy!

I don't really believe in "ideal" weight. I think people want to achieve an ideal "look", and they believe that will be achieved at a certain weight. They may or may not be correct, and moving toward that weight directly may not be the best to get there. Therefore I think they need to set the look as the goal, and track the weight as a necessary part of reaching the goal, but they shouldn't fixate on achieving a certain weight goal. Unless they compete in something with weight classes, weight is largely irrelevant upon meeting the actual goal.

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4/29/11 6:10 A

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I would have to argue about the "P90X is a waste of time" I say it does exactly what it is designed for. Keep in mind it is designed for beginners who are within 10lbs of their "ideal" weight. If done properly (nutrition) it will let a beginner cut fat while building muscle. No it is not ideal for strictly muscle building.
Maybe gl should have said P90X is a waste of time for me. :)

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Thank you - this is helpful.

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4/26/11 9:31 A

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If he can lose weight by dieting and that's all, and his only goal is to be lighter (not to improve his body composition) then great, he should do that. I lost 20 lbs that way, not even counting calories at first.

If he's interested in putting up weights, we'd need to know why he is planning to start doing resistance training. He's right in that it's said that if you are leaner when you start bulking then you will lay down more muscle than fat, but you will have to eat at a slight surplus to do so. If you are overfat and a newer trainee then you can usually gain muscle or at least strength even as you lose.

P90X is good for some things but it's kind of a waste of time and I almost wouldn't recommend it for any specific goal today, other than someone who says "I have plenty of time to exercise, little equipment, only want to exercise at home, and want something really mindless to get started with."

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4/25/11 1:15 P

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I'm with Bill on this one - It looks to me like he's got a plan he's happy with.

Losing weight and getting healthy doesn't work very well if the person going through it needs enabling. They need to have the fire inside, themselves.

It would be more helpful if he has questions for him to come on here and talk to us directly.

If he truly does like physicsdiet.com, you can tell him that the woman at the top of the "Biggest Losers" leaderboard on there would welcome him to join this group and chat about stuff. (me)

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Yes indeed

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Don't scare the kid off from swimming by throwing him in the deep end, let him get comfortable in the shallow side first.

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I think He's going by BMI charts. He is diabetic and the doctor told him to get to a normal BMI, and 165 seems to fit that. He is 5'9". I'm not sure I put a lot of stock in the BMI charts, but he seems to.

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4/25/11 10:41 A

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Pretty sure Bill and GL will say 'No' mostly because p90x is not about strength training (as such). All I'm going to say is that sometimes you need to be right-in-the-head before you can take the next step and if you're not comfortable then you're not comfortable.

What is the 165 number? Is it something significant to him? His old weight in Highschool or something? Does he think he's going to look really good at that weight? How catastrophic would it be for him to not reach it?

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Thanks. He believes that he needs to lose like another 20 pounds thru sheer cardio and dieting before worrying about strength training. For example; he is very interested in P90X but not until he hits like 165, he weighs 190 now.

Do you guys agree with that philosophy ?

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4/25/11 9:46 A

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You might want to start small, make him his favorite muffins or brownies for dessert, maybe his favorite beer on the week-ends. Then pack his lunches with a salad a good heaping of dressing.. Add nuts to his breakfast cereal while he's not paying attention.
If he's STILL tracking and losing after a couple of days of that insist that you go out to dinner...or maybe go out for a weekend breakfast. That should fix him!

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I guess I don't understand what the question is. Sounds like he's tracking and has a plan. What did I miss? Also, maybe he should post questions here if he has them. It's pretty difficult to follow a thread of conversation otherwise.

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So my hubby has joined the fitness bandwagon. It kills me how he starts tracking and doing what I've been doing for years - and he loses twice as fast! Anyway - he is now a big fan of the Hackers Diet. He blogged about it.

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Any advice for the happy husband ? :)



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