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5/16/10 12:54 A

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has anyone noticed that with weight loss the hair going away?

I am currently shaving everyday since laser hair removal didnt work and electrolysis became too expensive. I wake up every morning dreading to put that razor to my face and the only hope i have is thinking that myabe when i get this weight off of me my face will get better.

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4/29/10 11:58 A

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Wow, that's terrible. I guess with either modality, the important thing is to find a practitioner who knows what they are doing and does a good job. The side effects if either one is stuffed up are pretty awful.

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4/29/10 11:54 A

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I have done electrolysis for over a year and although it seemed promising at first, most of it came back. Electrolysis also stained my skin. My upper lip is darker than other parts of my face. If I would have done laser instead...it actually would have been cheaper over time.

I'm going to do laser and I think that my husband's Health Flexible Spending Account at work might classify it as an "allowable expense" so that we can use pre-tax dollars on it. It's not covered by insurance but you might be able to use a FSA.


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4/25/10 11:26 A

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I found laser quite effective myself ... I believe it's "permanent reduction" as opposed to "permanent removal". I've had electrolysis as well, but didn't find it particularly effective, everything seemed to grow back (only used it on my moustache though and I only had 3 or 4 complete treatments). The laser is much quicker though equally painful and probably because of the sheer number of hairs treated, the results seemed much better to me.

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4/25/10 11:09 A

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While I think I might be coming in at the wrong time of the discussion... I am very glad to hear that I am not the only woman out there dealing with the excess hair issue!! I know that it's related to my PCOS but it still makes certain things in my life fairly tricky. I've had the issue since I was 14 and I'm now 32 and it's only gotten worse with age... I'm glad to hear that Laser Hair Removal is not truly permanent because I will stop looking into that - all the "salons" etc tell you that it is... Now I'm going to start looking into Electrolysis instead. Thanks for the info ladies!! Oh and just as an added informative bit - I was on BC from the time I was 14 to 29 because it helped to regulate cyst formation for me and since coming off the pill I have only had 2 periods - one in July'09 and then Jan'10(actually had to start on my birthday so it was a nice little present for once in my life!!). MY endocrinologist is hesitant to put me on Metformin because of the spontaneous periods and he seems to think that my body just needed to work out 14 years of synthetic hormones.. I just want a baby eventually!!

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4/25/10 10:58 A

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Hi CMB,

That was precisely what I was trying to say with respect to "can muscle turn into fat?" that it was not possible, they are 2 different cell types and one must be catabolised and the other anabolised in order to change the body composition. I thought I'd made it clear, but I'll re-read what I wrote. Thanks for letting me know that you found it ambiguous.

I encourage everyone to do their own research before making decisions regarding their health. The research I have done and my experience in treating PCOS has led me to favour natural methods, (not solely DCI, which I only began importing as I could not access it for myself otherwise). There are over 200 pages of information on my website, less than 10 on DCI. If my only concern or motive was to sell DCI, then I would not have wasted hundreds, maybe thousands of hours writing information on other methods of treating PCOS and answering thousands of questions about it, many unrelated to DCI. I've even spent a lot of time collating a table of food sources of DCI, so that people can obtain it through food rather than buy the supplement. I hope that clarifies my motives for you.

I have put up basic information on the surgical and pharmaceutical alternatives to try and balance the site out, but you are right in thinking my focus is on natural methods. I am more interested in that area, so those pages grow faster than the others. I'll get around to fleshing out the surgical and pharmaceutical side of things one day, but it's not a priority for me. I investigated pharmaceutical methods for controlling PCOS first, even tried Metformin personally, but most therapies I found had more negatives than positives to offer a PCOS patient, and the metformin actually seemed to make my own case much much worse and it took me years to reverse those side effects.

My concern with birth control pills is the research I've read indicates that they worsen PCOS, may even cause it in some women who have a predisposition. I am only trying to encourage people to find out the facts for themselves before they take it. If short term suppression of the symptoms is more important than the long-term effects of taking it, then that is their choice. My experience has been that very few GPs or even Endos keep up to date with the current research and because of this may be offering their patients bad advice. I just want to make sure people have all the information they need to make the best choices about their health.

All the best,
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4/25/10 10:22 A

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Belrosa, while I respect your opinion on hormonal birth control, I question your motives. On your website there is only minimal and negative info about BC use for PCOS, and somewhat neutral info about the use of Metformin. Yet, there is only exceedingly positive info on DCI for treatment of insulin resistance. Since you do sell DCI on your website, I question your objection to BC.
I viewed your site and there is misinformation, in the Q&A section, there is the question: "Can Fat Turn Into Muscle?". You stated and I quote: " The only way fat turns to muscle is through catabolism (breakdown) of the fat and anabolism (building) of muscle tissue". That is NOT physically possible; fat and muscle are two different tissues, just as a kidney is different from a liver. You can shrink fat cells and enlarge muscle tissue, but one can't turn into the other.

Since everyone's physiology is different, BC may not work for some. IR is not present in everyone with PCOS. The original post was asking for options in treating excess hair. Since she is already taking Metformin and it's having no effect on menstruation or the hair growth, it likely is not IR. I took metformin for some time, even though my insulin levels have always been perfect, yet it had no effect on the hair growth. After about a year on BC, I stopped taking it for about 2 years, and starting ovulating again, but the hair problem persisted. I was only stating what worked for me and others with excess hair.

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4/25/10 7:55 A

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Birth control pills exacerbate insulin resistance (the putative cause of PCOS and all the symptoms). They have even been proven to cause it in healthy women, therefore potentially PCOS.

They might help mask some of the symptoms in the short term, but long term they do a heap of damage.

Please do some research on the subject before taking hormonal birth control.

There's some info on my site: mypcos.info/1/treatments/pharmaceuti
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but I'd strongly urge you to read some of the scientific literature on the subject and then discuss it with your doctor.

Good luck!

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4/25/10 7:36 A

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Majood, I also was on Metformin for some time. It did nothing for the hair problem, but I did lose weight more easily. I've had the hair problem since I was about 14, I'm almost 27 now. The only thing that has helped is hormonal birth control and electrolysis. As for the birth control, the pill or Nuvaring is best, it will also help with your period, the Depo shot made my hair problem 10x worse. Laser hair removal is not permanent hair REMOVAL, it's permanent hair REDUCTION. After 2 sessions of electrolysis I was able to see the difference, now after 9 sessions I'm getting excited about not having a beard anymore. Any questions, just ask, because I have tried and researched just about everything.

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4/25/10 5:09 A

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I believe it is actually Spearmint that has been studied in relation to reducing hirsutism in women with PCOS, not peppermint. They do both come from the same family, and likely have similar results, but some studies have found that drinking peppermint tea everyday can cause adverse effects.

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4/23/10 5:06 P

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I have just started doing it so I can't tell yet but it taste great. I can drink it without sugar and its still great. It taste like gum. Even if it doesn't work on the hair, I have found a 0 cal 0 carb drink I actually like.

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4/23/10 4:27 P

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BBMAVERICK77, I have a full Beard too. They had me on spironolactone, but it did nothing but made me pee all the time. I have hair every where. Peppermint tea huh? Perhaps I should give it a try...



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4/16/10 10:25 A

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I'll have to try the peppermint tea then...I've never had laser hair removal, because myinsurance doesn't cover it and I'm ok with shaving...I mean, it's annoying, but I just do what I have to do...as far as other body hair, I come from a hairy family, so even my mustache and tummy hair is genetic.

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4/15/10 8:19 P

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I know how yall feel. It is awful. I have a full beard now. I have to shave almost everyday. I saw on dr. Oz today that peppermint tea is supposed to help. It blocks some of the androgens or hormones. He even mentioned pcos. I am going to give it a try

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I know the feeling...it is AWFUL! I did do laser hair removal for about 1 year (about 8-10 treatments) and 85% of my hair is gone, but there is still some left that I despise!!! On certain times of the month or when I am really stressed, it comes out more and coarser. I need to get more treatments in eventually, but it is pricey and that is why I am waiting.

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4/15/10 4:36 P

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SO I have PCOS... and as those who have it might know that the hair growth involved is ridiculous... I HATE IT HATE IT HATE... SO MUCH... I have tried almost everything... I am currently on metformin... and it doesnt HELP at all... i haven't even been able to get my period in over a year now... I tried laser for my hair... i paid lots of money and NO results...

Has anyone had any effective hair removal process? Anything that worked to stop hair growth or atleast LESSen it... Anything?


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