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Jeanne,

emoticon Armour is amazing.

Synthetic medication hasn't been known to support thyroid ability to regulate function. Synthetic is inactive T4 which our body needs to convert into active T3 that gets into cells so patient feels good. Most people do not convert synthetic. Drs prescribe synthetic to cover their a$$ets. It takes a special doctor to prescribe NDT medication.

I take NDT ( Armour). I started taking Armour when dx'd at 16. It worked great until the company was sold and formula changed. A lot of patients and doctors are trying different NDT medications. Unfortunate, these medications are in short supply for several reasons. I don't know why I keep gaining weight and neither does my doctor but considering seeing a DO that does extensive testing.

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Oh! Meant to share something else ... none of the synthetic thyroid preparations support my thyroid's ability to regulate function. I was eventually prescribed Armour Thyroid after 18 months of experimenting with drug after drug and dose after dose to no avail with function showing absolutely no improvement. Within 2 weeks of being prescribed the Armour Thyroid I could feel that the ship was being righted. It was amazing!

So, best wishes to you determining a medication regimen that will support your body. emoticon

P.S. I'm talking about what occurred in 1990's, when the condition was first diagnosed. To this day, I remain on Armour Thyroid.

Edited by: JEANKNEE at: 5/24/2020 (19:14)
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The weird thing for me is that I don't feel deconditioned, if that makes any sense. It's simply a lack of physical energy to sustain activity, be it physical, mental or emotional. It is the oddest experience and, honestly, it is very difficult for me to describe.

I remain able to squat and get up and down from the floor with a certain degree of ease. And, when the energy leaves me there is no sense of muscle fatigue at all. I experience more like a switch being thrown: energy one moment, gone the next.

In January 2019, I fell and, in retrospect, I believe it was related to the condition diagnosed in May 2019; but, at the time we were at a loss to explain why I fell. They repeatedly asked me: "Are you SURE you did not pass out?"

It was the STRANGEST experience. I could only walk a few steps and then would squat on my haunches and rest because I had no energy. They told me it was because of pain. And, I was like "Pain? I wasn't in any pain."

But, I just took what they had to say to me at face value because I already know that I have an abnormally high pain threshold.

It's fascinating to me how alike and, yet, how different we each can be!

When the thyroid condition was initially diagnosed 23+ years ago, it took us essentially 2 years to right the ship and get my body settled back into the normal range. I am about to complete 8 months with this present episode. The situation emerged in October 2019; but, we did not recognize it for what it was, especially since my thyroid levels had just been tested in September 2019 and were fine. But, by January 2020, when we decided to check the thyroid "just in case" ... well, well, well ... we were in for a surprise!

My thyroid has been stable for decades. So, the lab results in January were quite a surprise.

Knowing that it took so long to regulate function that long ago has helped because I know not to expect any quick fixes. I also realize that I could be dealing with a thyroid gland that is outright failing. Time will tell. More testing has been ordered as well.

So, doing the best I can with what I have where I am.

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Sorry you have been struggling. Good luck on your journey to better health.

I have been struggling too. Doctor changed my medication in Dec which didn't work out. Although my levels were in lab range, they weren't optimal. My pain returned along with swelling and weight gain. Plus I developed exercise intolerance due to gym closure. Walking daily increases my skeletal and other conditions. I did exercise videos at home only to discover I am really out of shape. Doctors recommended swimming to keep me from ending up in wheelchair. They were right. I can hardly lift my legs, etc since pool closure. Every change is like starting over for me.



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Whatever you do in life, think higher and feel deeper. C. Artias

Your personal history is not your true identity. Don't let the past define who you are.. Eckart Tolle

You are the architect of your actions, words and voice. What an opportunity for love, truth and purpose to shine. Sister Andrea Jaegar

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Hey there ladies!

I've been away for some time ... not feeling well and struggling in many regards.

Thyroid levels were determined to be SIGNIFICANTLY out of range in January and remain SIGNIFICANTLY out of range despite medication tweaks. The levels are worse now than they were 23+ years ago when the hypothyroid condition was first diagnosed.

I've gained ~ 13 lbs. since early October with no apparent end to the upward trend. Despite the weight gain, my weight continues to hover around a BMI of 18.5. My body has been happy in underweight territory for over 5 years. Whether or not the weight goes back down is not my concern. My concern is health and I trust that the weight will do what it needs to do in response to the body's regained sense of equilibrium.

In 2019, I was diagnosed with 2 rare, complex chronic conditions that I do not care to share. Both conditions have no known cause and have no known treatments. So, in other words, it's learn to accept, live with and manage the symptoms and experience.

I have no exercise tolerance and have been advised NOT to exert. With exert pertaining not only to physical exertion; but, mental and emotional as well. The admonitions of the docs have been to learn to identify and remain within the body's energy envelope which has been easier said than done.

I have essentially been living life as a passive observer for well over a year and have had no exercise tolerance sine July 2018.

As far as nutritional intake goes it's 2 to 3 square meals a day and no snacking for me. Discovering what works for my body has been a game changer for me in so many regards. And, despite the ongoing health challenges, I know I would be in far graver health had I not made the changes I did beginning in 2013.

So, I am grateful. I am SO HAPPY to no longer be obese. I've been menopausal since my 40's and am in my 60's now. So, hypothyroidism and menopause did not keep me from losing weight. However, my thyroid function was within range at that time. Now, it is out of whack and the with that has come the persistent upward weight trend. I know that I am not eating too much and refuse to restrict nutrition. I know well balanced nutrition is needed for my body to heal.

Last year's (2019) nutritional intake averaged 1501 kcal. This year (2020) it is running 1398 kcal. I used to pre-plan, pre-track and eat according to plan; but, I no longer do that. I still track because I continue to have issues with food allergies / intolerances / sensitivities and having the nutritional information has served me and those working to support my health and well-being.

What I am seeing is that with the reduced capacity to sustain movement and activity has come a reduction in appetite and a lowered need for fuel. So, I'm naturally not eating as much. My body does not need it to sustain itself.

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Perrybabe,

Wow! Wonderful that you are a planner and budgeter. Have these things helped you lose weight in the past? I hope changes work for you. It is okay to disagree with me about timed eating. Eat the way you like. What I wrote was food for thought. I read a lot of controlled studies about dieting, etc.and can count on science to set me straight.

Spark offers generalized advice. They don't take into account thyroid and other conditions, medication, etc. Generalized information is why members decreased their Spark recommended daily calorie intake when trying to lose. Using night shift workers as an example isn't good either since their circadian rhythm differs from a normal person/worker/ retiree, etc. I know a lot of night nurses with Graves.

I am hypo patient that swims 2 hours and lifts weights 3-4 times weekly, stayed in or under daily calorie range with planned night snack and didn't lose. However, I did lose when I abstained from eating after 7:30 pm. Discovering what works for my body has been an advantage.

There are three types of metabolisms. Normal, Hyper (overactive) and Hypo (slow). A hyper person doesn't have a problem with eating and burning calories around the clock. They are lucky.

A normal person usually doesn't have problem burning calories until they become menopausal (decreased estrogen, etc). Most of my friends without thyroid conditions suddenly became hypo during menopause. Frankly, I don't know anyone that is absolutely normal...normal hormonal levels, doesn't take medication, etc. A hypo person has a slow metabolism during the day that becomes slower at night. Hypo and menopause is a double whammy.

If you think your metabolism is perfect because your tests were normal, think again. Normal means your numbers fell into the lab range. Normal lab range for TSH is around 0.3-5. Some labs use higher range. Endo society considers a TSH of 3 or higher to be hypo. A TSH of 2.0 or less is recommended to avoid thyroid cancer. People without thyroid disease have a TSH close to 0.

Doctors don't study diet/nutrition in medical school. This information came from licensed medical doctors. My endo told me to eat 1,000 calories daily. Can only eat that little for a few days without it damaging your health.

So here we are. Two unique people with different methods, which is wonderful.



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Tee

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APPEALSTOME, thanks for the info. Yes, not all calories are created equal. However, I have to disagree with the timing of when we eat. Here on SP, I've read more than once that if you're staying within your calorie range, it really doesn't matter when you eat. People who work night shifts or 2nd shifts are living proof of that. My doctor said if I get that gnawing feeling to go ahead and eat something with fiber and protein. A Spark Coach told me the same thing. The problem with late night eating for most people is they're already overeating. So, yes, it would negatively affect a person in that case. On the other hand, I'm planning out my calorie consumption/menus a day in advance now, as well as picking out new recipes to try (from SP). I can budget my calories to allow for an evening snack, just like we should budget our money. I've always looked at it that way since I started 6-7 years ago. Of course, the opposite is true of calories vs. money. We want more calories going out than in, and more money coming in than going out! emoticon I refigured my calorie range, as well as the balance of carbs, fat, protein, and fiber. I hope you get the problem with swelling and your legs straightened out. I wouldn't label you as lazy. You have a medical problem that's not allowing you to exercise. You can't help that. Take care of yourself and mind your doctor!

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Great that your thyroid levels are normal. Books I read written by doctors recommend eating 1,500 calories and exercising 90 minutes daily. All calories are not created equal. A 100 calorie snack bar is not the same as 100 calorie fruit. It has to do with food density. Fruit and veggies contain water, fiber and no oil, etc. Several books recommend changing what we eat. Baked sweet potato instead of white potato or fries. Whole grain pasta and bread instead of white. Calories eaten after 7:30 pm stay on the hips. Same or more calories eaten at breakfast or lunch are burned. So I eat pc of dark chocolate with breakfast or lunch. LOL

I have been lazy too. Started with leg swelling and pain. I was walking daily before the symptoms appeared. Only walk a little now. I saw thyroid doctor today since I wanted her to look at my legs. I gained weight due to swelling. My thyroid and other levels off. I am hypothyroid with adrenal disease. Doctor ordered leg scan since elevating, cold, heat not doing anything to relieve symptoms. It's always something.



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I don't have a new diagnosis, but I've become a bit lazy lately, especially with being home all day. During a teleconference appointment with my endocrinologist today, he informed me my levels are normal and to continue with the medication and dosage I'm currently taking. I complained that I've gained a little more weight than I thought I should have, despite the bit of excess I've eaten and maybe not as much activity. He told me to keep the calories to a maximum of 1,500/day and walk the dog (which I don't have) 30 minutes/day or ride my recumbent bike. I went to my tracker here and made some changes. I told him I'd starve, and he told me I won't. We'll see. emoticon

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It's belated; but, heart felt nonetheless ... Welcome!

Wishing you the best with your journey. I, too, came to Spark and was a sporadic user for a bit. I returned in late-2013 (nearly 2014 really) and have remained.

I've found the members of this team to be particularly supportive. Wishing you well with your journey of discovery.

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Thank you everyone for the warm welcome!

Today was rough, but overall I'm feeling much better since restarting my journey. Didn't get to go on my daily walk because I was called upon to help my daughter with her film class project.

Tomorrow is a new day!

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Good luck and keep posting...I am new here but I am sure this is a very supportive

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Hi everyone! I've been a member since 2008ish with quite sporadic usage. I'm restarting my weightloss journey in hopes that the changes I make will stick this time around. This time I have my sister and husband on board with their own journeys!

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism in March 2018, and two weeks later I found myself unexpectedly pregnant with my 5th child! During pregnancy, I suffer from hyperemesis gravidarum, so my thyroid care was limited to my medication. No diet changes since I'm ordered to eat whatever will stay down.

Well, 15 months after baby arrived, and I was still feeling extreme fatigue. Not only had I not lost any of the baby weight, but I was gaining. My doctor decided to do my bloodwork a bit early and found that I needed a dose increase. Today was my first day, so I figured with that change, I should really start working on the other changes I knew I needed.

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