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INTOTHENEW's Photo INTOTHENEW Posts: 697
12/6/19 8:57 P

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"The best diet is the one that improves your health, first and foremost...."

Giving up ten Cokes a day? Improves health, healthier, yes.

Improvement vs optimum needs to be a discussion.

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“This key vital foundation is what most "diets" skip. To skip this fundamental basis is like building a house on quicksand; it will eventually fail.”

I agree, conditionally.

Most “diets” are a crayon approach to a pencil and erasure problem. Spark/USDA provides that paper for the pencil and erasure.

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"The best diet is the one that improves your health, first and foremost...."

- Message Posted by: ELENGIL - 12/5/2019

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This key vital foundation is what most "diets" skip. To skip this fundamental basis is like building a house on quicksand; it will eventually fail.

Edited by: MICHELLEXXXX at: 12/6/2019 (03:49)
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever exercises faith in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16


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An eating plan I think should be one that is healthy and balanced. And more importantly it must be a plan that you can live with for a lifetime..because that is what it is..a lifestyle not a diet.

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The best diet is the one that improves your health, first and foremost. For weight loss it should also address your personal, individual needs and the cause of your excess weight. This is going to result in a somewhat different answer for many people, and while we can suggest what has worked for us or hasn't, that may or may not have any relevance to what is best for you.

I practice intermittent fasting and keto
Diet Doctor Dr. Jason Fung www.dietdoctor.com/authors/d
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Intensive Dietary Management idmprogram.com/blog/
Guide to low carb eating www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/
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Weight Watchers is a great eating plan and is NOT a diet!



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11/28/19 8:47 P

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I think many diets are good, but I wouldn't recommend just one. That may not work for you.

I like Keto. It prevents me from cravings. I never feel hungry, even if I get busy, and forget to eat for 12 hours. I need that. It allows me to stay on plan, and I make sure to eat 3 meals.

Others just don't know how to eat, they could eat a vegetarian diet like my one friend, or Weight Watchers like another friend.. all of us have lost 100 lbs. The diet we are on works for us.

You know some foods are just not healthy, and should limit or avoid them.. but the individual plan should be one that works for you.

I would suggest starting with an easy plan. The SP diet is healthy. Can you stick to it, and eat in the ranges? Does it help you lose steadily?

If not, try something else, until you find what works. I tried everything. Trust me, keto was not my first choice. After years, I found low carb, but struggled to stay on it, because I still had cravings. It wasn't strict enough. That is unusual. Most people can be healthy on a much more liberal plan.. you just want a plan that works, and no one can determine what that is on this page.

Work with your doctor/dietitan, and find out what plan is best for you.



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Whatever works for you.



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11/27/19 7:02 P

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“Stopping feeding the troll”,

Even if the troll carrys the websight torch?

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Weight Watchers is not a diet but a healthy way of eating!



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Why I said what I said,

Many people who are starting out. Don't know where to start and don't do well with the all or nothing mentality. The object is to start and then improve.

The key is to start, somewhere. Improve from there.

I disagree with the all or nothing. My way or the highway. My diet is the superior diet approach.

Coming from a background of disordered eating. Binge eating and deprivation diets. That only served to trigger my eating disorder. I can only post from my experience. I don't know everything. I won't post like I do.

Just my .02









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I agree with Pookie; "stop feeding the troll".

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever exercises faith in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16


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Weight Watchers is not a diet but a way of healthy eating!




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Stopping feeding the troll might be a good diet to follow for your mental health.



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For me, weighing, measuring and tracking everything I put in my mouth. Staying within my SparkPeople calorie range. Nothing off limit, but avoid any added sugar whenever possible. No “cheat” day because no food is a “cheat.” Slow and MOSTLY steady. Exercise more than I ever have.

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11/19/19 9:16 P

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Lol.

Another put your diet together.




“Heres a ketodiet quiz if anyone was interested http ://bit.ly/33ZiWom”

I prefer a science based multi link.

Pseudo links are ignored.

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11/19/19 8:52 P

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“Are what you are meaning, INTOTHENEW”

I’m sorry this is so hard to understand. I feel alone.

So many posts/threads are contrary to the “Spark”/“USDA”.

The “undertow” is the “Spark/USDA” recommendations.

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I still don't understand .....

I googled what you might mean and apart from undertow applying to water, I found this:
"1.1An implicit quality, emotion, or influence underlying the superficial aspects of something and leaving a particular impression."

Are what you are meaning, INTOTHENEW?

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11/19/19 7:01 P

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“I still don't know what undertow means... “

The “Spark”/“USDA” recommendations are more explicit than any other plan that I have heard of.

There are many, many, threads here that contradict.

“Spark”/“USDA” is an undertow.

It’s a shame at face value, and in inference.

If I say it any planer, my post will get deleted.

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I recommend an eating plan that's sustainable for life and doesn't harm ones health in the long run.


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I still don't know what undertow means...

But anyways, just because you think Weight Watchers' method is shallow doesn't change the fact that it works very well for many other people.



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11/14/19 9:23 P

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“It was the 'undertows' part that confused me”

Why is it the “Spark” way the undertow?

Why is it the USDA way the undertow?

Why is SAD associated with the USDA?




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It was the 'undertows' part that confused me. I should have included that in my copy/paste LOL!

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I must admit, I was wondering what you meant by "micros and macros" LOL emoticon

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11/14/19 7:07 P

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“An undertow of micros and macros? What does that mean?”

It ain’t that hard to understand. Make sure macros and micros are in balance/sufficient.

The tools provided by this site are an incredible resource to providing a detailed study of such.

Reducing a green pepper, tomato, onion, garlic, walnut, pineapple, etc to a point equivalent is, shallow.




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An undertow of micros and macros? What does that mean?






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11/13/19 7:24 P

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“As you can see, everyone has a different opinion and thinks their way is the best. Instead of giving advice, I'd ask you to think about what you've already tried and really ask yourself why those methods didn't work for you. Next, use your findings to try something new that is realistic and sustainable to YOU. Most of the ways of eating mentioned below are perfectly fine, but if they're not realistic for you long term, they will not work long term.“

As you should see, there is an undertow of micros and macros. Focus.

There is no bad food, only bad cooks.
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I don't think there's necessarily one "best" diet. You have to pick one that will work for YOUR body type, metabolism, preferences, and overall goals.

I can tell you what worked for me: maintaining a calorie deficit (for me that meant a daily limit of about 1,500/day), completely eliminating sugar and refined starches, restricting fat, and eating lots of fresh vegetables and lean (mostly plant-based) protein. But for me, that was easy because I love vegetables and fruit, and was never much into refined white foods; I realize that my "rabbit food" diet might not appeal to other people. So if that's the case, there's "keto" and "paleo" and "weight watchers" and probably a dozen other options. It has to be something that YOU will enjoy eating enough that you can stick with it even after you've achieved your goal weight.

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"Too high level, too simplistic. A crayon approach." I personally think Weight Watchers is great, and has worked well for many people.

As you can see, everyone has a different opinion and thinks their way is the best. Instead of giving advice, I'd ask you to think about what you've already tried and really ask yourself why those methods didn't work for you. Next, use your findings to try something new that is realistic and sustainable to YOU. Most of the ways of eating mentioned below are perfectly fine, but if they're not realistic for you long term, they will not work long term.



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I found the best diet is no diet. Make small sustainable changes to your diet (the way you eat) and add healthier habits little by little to all phases. Tracking your food is really important.
Read about nutrition here and plan to choose to eat healthy foods more often than not. And Michael Pollan has great advice to eat "real food, less of it, more plants."

Persistence is more important than perfection.

Don't assume your freedoms are assured.

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Weight Watchers is a good one!



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"My diet consists of real whole foods, unprocessed, free from additives, preservatives and hormones, low in added sugars, high is colourful vegetables and natural fats.

- Message Posted by: JUSTEATREALFOOD - 11/10/2019

JERF, just out of curiousity, how does your diet differ from Paleo?

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Interesting question! As far as I can recall I differ because...

1) I eat a serving of gluten free grains daily (rice flour, sorghum flour). When I’m super active in the summer I may eat a few more servings.

2) My hubby eats a vegan diet so we eat legumes a couple time a week (peanuts, chickpeas and white kidney beans mostly they seem to digest ok).

3) I eat some dairy daily (yogurt, cream, Parmesan).

JERF - Just Eat Real Food

I'm not a doctor or dietitian. I'm just a real whole foods nutrition nerd.

I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

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Lowering my A1C and keeping my blood sugar levels steady eating LCHF.


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I totally agree. If you fill half or more of your plate with vegetables and fruits...a little heavier on vegetables than fruits...you will be getting a lot of natural fiber and nutrients. Then some protein and some grains or beans - both as unprocessed ( close to their natural state) as possible. This makes your meals healthy, nutritious and filling.
Drink lots of liquid.
If you eat anything processed - bottled, packaged, or canned. Read the nutrition label and look for added sugar. I avoid almost all added sugar Sugar has been added to almost all processed foods because it is an inexpensive ingredient...and when the guidance became eat low fat...the food manufacturers replaced the fat with sugar to make the food taste good. The result has been we have all grown fatter. It seems the fat was not making us fatter...but sugar was. So I do not fear fat in my diet..I do avoid almost all added sugar.
I have lost 37 pounds since December 2018 and I do not feel hungry when I choose healthy foods and meals with vegetables, fruits, and proteins, with a little natural carbs.
This may not work for everyone....and if you have been eating a high sugar diet....the first few weeks can be tough ( headaches and fatigue) but that goes away and you will begin to feel awesome and full after each healthy meal.
So not magic bullet diet, just healthy food choices almost all of the time. emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon emoticon

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No processed foods. Ir You cant cut it, chop it or peel it, think really hard before you put it in your mouth. Fruits and veggies are the highlight, meat should be the sideline. Drink plenty of water. Beware of calories in other beverages. Lost about 89 pounds in a year doing this, effortlessly. Kept it off for almost four years.

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"My diet consists of real whole foods, unprocessed, free from additives, preservatives and hormones, low in added sugars, high is colourful vegetables and natural fats.

- Message Posted by: JUSTEATREALFOOD - 11/10/2019

JERF, just out of curiousity, how does your diet differ from Paleo?

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever exercises faith in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16


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"The best diet is the one you can stick to without falling off the wagon. Too often.

I recommend measuring and tracking your food. Then find out where you can improve."

- Message Posted by: MANDIETERRIER1 - 11/10/2019


I disagree with this perspective. A person could easily maintain their goal weight while ingesting a certain diet, yet suffer sickness later in life due to the lack of nutrients that their calorie content provided.

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Paleo

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever exercises faith in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16


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The best diet is the one you can stick to without falling off the wagon. Too often.

I recommend measuring and tracking your food. Then find out where you can improve.



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The best diet is that which provides you all your nutrients from fresh fruit/veggies, lean protein, a variety of wholegrains and healthy fats. It is also one that provides you with a healthy amount of nutrition including calories.

It is NOT a diet which forbids certain food groups or foods. That just sets someone up to fall off the wagon because of deprivation and/or starvation.

If you are meaning 'diet' as in "blood-type diet" or diets that tell you that you will lose *x* amount of weight in *z* amount of time and/or rely on you purchasing supplements, given them a miss and run a mile.

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The best diet that I can recommend is the one that gives you all of the nourishment (fibre, vitamins, minerals, essential fats, proteins, and energy) that you need to support your healthy lifestyle at a healthy body weight (as determined by you and your doctor) --- and includes all foods that you really enjoy.

This "best diet" is going to be different for everyone, since we each have different needs, different bodies, and different preferences. The only one who can decide what is the "best for YOU" is YOU!

As a general rule, choosing mostly whole foods and enjoying a wide variety every day (or, at least, through each week) seems to be the best way to ensure that you and your gut microbiome both get all of the nutrients that you need. Choosing the combination of foods that you really enjoy ensures that you continue with the changes long-term (we don't keep changes that don't make us happier).

Personally, I eat to hunger, and I never dropped to the typically recommended "weight loss calorie range". Instead, I gradually learned to eat healthier foods in the right quantity to support my relatively active lifestyle. I focus on what foods I can add (and have discovered tons of vegetables and fruits and legumes and grains that I hadn't bothered with before), and on creating new recipes and combinations that I absolutely love. I have gradually dropped added sugars, but don't get my knickers in a twist about having some here and there, and I don't fuss about what my macros end up as.

You might enjoy some of the advice in this older thread: www.sparkpeople.com/myspark/messageboard.a
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As I said in my post in that thread, the best recommendation is KNOW YOURSELF! Once you've gotten a start on understanding your own preferences, requirements, and possible issues, then you'll be well on your way to figuring out your own best long-term healthy diet.

Remember to have fun!

Sir Terry Pratchett: "Science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. It is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good."

"The Inuit Paradox" ( discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-
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My diet consists of real whole foods, unprocessed, free from additives, preservatives and hormones, low in added sugars, high is colourful vegetables and natural fats.

JERF - Just Eat Real Food

I'm not a doctor or dietitian. I'm just a real whole foods nutrition nerd.

I eat mostly vegetables, fats, meats, some fruit and dark chocolate. Unprocessed and preservative free food. And it's changed my life!

5'4"
Maintaining since 2012
42 years old
2 kids

Lowering my A1C and keeping my blood sugar levels steady eating LCHF.


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Mine. Lol

Complete micros, with no supplements.

As local as possible, Hunt, fish, forage, and garden. My beef, pork, sheep, etc. is mostly from local suppliers.

Don’t swear off of anything. I travel a lot, that mindset helps immensely. The same holds true at gatherings.

If you are trying to loose weight, know what maintenance is going to be, and use it.



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im on my weight loss journey, this would mean a lot.

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