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RUSTY_WOODS Posts: 900
10/20/19 11:21 A

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You simply need to use fats which have lower cholesterol. Olive oil has 0 mg per Tbsp.

Here is a sample menu which might give you ideas.

B - 3 Jimmy Dean tukey sausages, 2 ozs. cheddar cheese, and an avocado

L - 4 ozs. of cod, 10 lg asparagus spears, in 3 Tbsp. olive oil

D - 4 ozs eye of round steak, 1 cup of fresh mushrooms, 1/2 a large onion, in 3 Tbsp. olive oil.

snack - 1 oz. of macadamia nuts.

Total is 1939 calories, 39 g carbs, 21 fiber - 18 NET carbs. 954 mg NA, and 237 mg cholesterol

high calorie... low carb.. LOWer cholesterol than the RDA.

If you want to add calories.. just add 1 oz ( 10-12 ) kernels of macadamia.. 204 more calories per oz. 4 extra grams.. 2 which are fiber.. or add some berries.. all have 0 cholesterol, and are low carb,

You add fat to smaller amounts of meat, and pick very low carb sources to accompany them.. like green beans, asparagus, broccoli to the carb level you like.

Add fat in the form of nuts, and olive oil, which doesn't add cholesterol.. the meat, and cheese is where the cholesterol is in large numbers. Still, you are allowed 300 mg a day, so 2 ozs cheese, and 8 ozs of meat allows you to enjoy those too, if you like them.

With 3 ozs of macadamia nuts, you could be at 2,346 cals, 46 carbs, 25 g fiber, and still just 237 mg cholesterol..that is about the calories I eat.. hope that is enough for you. 77% fat/8% carbs/15% protein .. I find higher fat, and under 100 g of protein works better for me.

Hope this helps.. you are on the right track.. low carb helps you.. but we seem to think that means bacon, butter, eggs, cheese, and lots of meat.. high protein, when higher fat is what anyone who stays on low carb long term, does.. otherwise you find yourself trying to eat greasy protein, over 150 g a day, which you can do, but it does come with higher cholesterol..

Low carb can even be more carbs, in nuts, berries, and low glycemic veggies. If you can have 75 g of carbs in these forms, you will likely get 30 g of fiber, and be fine..and can drop fat some, if that bothers you.. but the only problem I think you have is you think low carb is very limited.. there are many types of meats, and fats, and an amazing amount of vegetables, most which we do not eat, but are how you do low carb long term. Be creative. Learn new vegetable sources.. see how much veggies you can eat, before you start having cravings, or experience skin problem again. Carnivore.. very low carb, may not be sustainable for you, but why not simply switch to fats with NO cholesterol, drop eggs, limit meat to 4 oz servings, and add veggies.. you will find that you can add cups of veggies, for just a few carbs.. call it moderate carb, and enjoy. the label doesn't matter.. what matters is it WORKS for you.



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10/16/19 4:16 A



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Have you had allergy tests done .... blood AND skinprick? I note your comment re dairy. Have you tried A2 milk? It may be hard to find, but if you can get it, it is definitely worth a try.

Have you kept a diary of everything that you eat? If not, I would be inclined to do so and revisit the Registered Dietitian, and emphasize that you need REAL help, not just generic help.

Have you tried different wash powders and soap free alternatives for washing yourself? I haven't used soaps for years because of allergies. Instead I use Emulsifying Ointment which I make up with boiled water to take the format of liquid soap, and use that for my body.

Many years ago when I was teens into very early 20's I used to get acne. I discovered that when I used a shampoo for dandruff. It contains zinc and a few other ingredients. Interestingly I found that where the shampoo came in contact with my face, the acne went.

Head and Shoulders for dandruff and Dermacare Scalp Soothing Moisture Shampoo are good ones. Perhaps you could try that as a soap for your body and see what happens. You've got nothing to lose and may just find it works.

When my nephew came to live with my late hubby and I, he had a lot of acne. He ate a lot of meat and processed garbage, but very few veges. When he started eating what I cooked (plenty of veges including a lot of leafy greens, and still a fair bit of meat, but not as much, and a lot less processed stuff, his acne disappeared.

Over the years I have heard many people on SP comment on choosing organic and/or grass-fed animal protein over the rest. When I went to Canada on holiday I asked my son why. His comment was that since he has been there he hasn't eating much meat either, and that is because of all the chemical crap that the rest are fed. Perhaps there is something in that that is affecting you.

Some studies have indicated that Omega 3's might be beneficial. They include fish, (e.g. mackerel, salmon, and sardines) nuts such as walnuts and almonds, Navy Beans and Flaxseed.

You would need to do it for a few weeks at least to see how it works.

The other thing I will mention is stress. Stress has been known to affect the physical side of a person, and aggravate acne. If you are finding you are stressed frequently and/or depressed, seek help from your Dr for that because THAT might just help the acne as well.

Another thought is that you find a Medical Dr who practices Acupuncture and try some sessions. I have heard it has helped some people ... you might be one of them, too :-)

The last thing I will suggest is that perhaps you might benefit from a referral to a different dermatologist!!!

I guess, what I am saying is that it may need to be tackled in a holistic fashion rather than from one angle.

Good luck,
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10/16/19 1:51 A



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The combination of acne, having trouble keeping your weight up, and cholesterol issues makes me suspect that you might get more help from an endocrinologist than a dermatologist or dietitian. Little hormone imbalances can affect all of those things.

That said, I always found that my acne was influenced more by what I did eat than by anything I avoided. What was your diet like before you went "carnivore?" Is it really the meat and the avoidance of grains that's helping, or is just that you're eating more fat? Personally, I always found that my skin was much clearer when I had an open jar of peanut butter in the house, especially if I was eating it on fresh fruit or using it in salad dressing on lots of spinach and other dark greens. If you're up for experimenting (and you haven't already tried this,) my recommendation would be to focus on getting a variety of fruit and veggies, and plenty of fats from plant sources like nuts, seeds, and avocado. I've really never heard of anybody getting worse acne from more fruits and veggies, unless they've cut fats extremely low.

Another thing to consider is whether your acne is responding to other nutrients in meat, especially some of the trace minerals like selenium. Brazil nuts, mushrooms, and whole wheat/wheat germ are good sources of selenium, so maybe try adding those and cutting back on the meat to see if they'll do the job without the saturated fats.



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10/15/19 4:55 P

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100% of your diet is made up by carbs, fat and protein. If you lower carbs, that means that your protein and fats have to go up. You look at a list of high cholesterol foods and you are looking at a lot of common fats and proteins. You can't lower all three at the same time, the percentages have to add up to 100.

You said you went to a dietitian; did you go to a Registered Dietitian? A Registered Dietitian has to meet certain standards, while anyone, yourself included, can set out your shingle and call themselves a dietitian. That being said, what did you bring to the appointment? You should have a few typical days of your diet (as in "1/4 cup dry oatmeal, 1/2 cup milk, 1 Tb peanut butter," etc , not "breakfast oatmeal") with measurements for your "regular" eating and also for when you were going carnivore. Ideally you would have the dates for when you did this and your bloodwork around those times showing the differences. When you do get your bloodwork done, how are you eating, are you exercising or drinking close to the 24 hour before mark? I know I toed the line last year and had a bit of a junky eating weekend right before and my good cholesterol was down and my LDL and total were up that year. Perhaps coincidence, but I made sure to eat more typically the weekend before and my numbers were more in line.

Beyond that, it's about what you want the most and are willing to do. Ideally you will be working with your doctor on this one. A Registered Dietitian should be able to help guide you through this provided you are willing to provide accurate data. If your high cholesterol is higher than it was before but still within healthy and normal ranges then you could try an elimination diet on your own. You would probably want to reduce or eliminate exercise (a dozen pushups might be okay but a ninety minute HIIT workout would not be, short jogs or a walk might be okay while training for a marathon would not) until you get enough of a base to fuel working out. Start with your carnivore diet and add back in oatmeal, barley, apples, beans and other soluble fiber foods one at a time. See if there are any lower cholesterol meat choices that you could be making. Keep adding back in and see if you can find one trigger within the carbs so that you can eat all carbs that aren't that trigger. Or you could start with the workout friendly diet and eliminate things one thing at a time. Either way it is a lot of label reading and data gathering.

And again, you want to make sure that you are touching base with your doctor to keep up with your bloodwork, overall health and any weird near heart attack feelings should anything you do start those again.

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10/15/19 3:49 P



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Hey, David !

What about beer or maybe the energy drinks ? Did your doctor put you on an elimination diet to determine if your diet was the cause of the acne ?

I know when I've asked my doctor about pharmaceutical options, they always said the side effects would be worse than the acne.


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10/15/19 1:32 P

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This certainly isn't the cause for me. I always hated carbonated drinks, never even drank sparkly water.

Thanks for the reply tho!

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Hey, David !

Do you happen to drink Coke, Pepsi or any other colored sodas ? I'm going to speak from my OWN experience for a moment.

When I was teen, I had acne. Like all teens, I slathered myself in Clearasil and that usually worked. I thought as I grew older, I would grow out of the acne. Nope, had adult acne. not bad, but never seemed to go away.

To make a long story short, when I decided I wanted to be healthier, one of the things I did was give up Diet Coke. I was a Diet Coke addict for years. I lost weight drinking Diet Coke.

here's something I noticed, a few weeks after I gave up Diet Coke. no more adult acne. my skin cleared up. And I know it wasn't my diet because I had already lost weight and still drank the Diet Coke. Quitting Diet Coke seemed to clear up the acne.

Will this work for you ? It certainly can't hurt to try. We all know that conventional sodas are loaded with artificial sweeteners, chemicals and preservatives.

Once again, this is just my own experience with acne. Quitting soda seemed to help me. And I never cut out diary. I occasionally put 1 percent milk on my cereal and I eat cheese every day. I just came back from a vacation in Paris. no way was I NOT eating French brie or chevre cheese. LOL


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10/15/19 11:48 A

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When I went carnivore and my acne cleared up I did cut out all dairy as well.
It might have been the case that it is only dairy that causes the issues, not my moderate-high carb diet as I assumed.
I guess it's worth a shot to try, if I could manage no plants and no dairy, i can for sure handle just no dairy.

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10/15/19 11:26 A

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I can't suggest meals or anything, but I know I had horrible acne for a great portion of my life and cutting dairy out entirely cleared it up. I mean *entirely* - no cheese, no cream, no ice cream, etc.

If you're willing to do a bit of experimentation with your diet you may try that. I think it took about 2 or 3 weeks to really see the results when I did it.

I've since slowly reintroduced limited dairy back into my diet, but I know I've had too much when I start getting little break-outs.

Obviously you may be completely different, but just to offer alternatives which you may not have considered.

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10/15/19 10:55 A

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Thanks for the reply.
I have visited a dermatologist several times, but she just kept pushing different ointments and lotions, none of which actually worked. She quickly dismissed any idea of dietary change - not sure what to think of that...
I had no luck with dietitians either, they mostly just give the generic advice - avoid processed/refined stuff, don't overdo fruits and animal fat, more smaller meals per day etc.

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Hi DAVIDU3,

Have you talked with your doctor about meal recommendations? I think it would be best for you to start there (since they have your medical history) and maybe request a referral to a registered dietitian for help specific with your food.

Best wishes!

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10/15/19 9:51 A

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Hello,
I've been having acne issues for over 15 years. I tried various ointments, lotions and supplements with no success.
The only thing that helped me was a carnivore diet. I couldn't sustain this however - I was losing weight very quickly(I'm already too skinny), my LDL cholesterol went beyond the healthy limit, I had low energy and when I tried to exercise I thought I would get a heart attack.
I don't know what to eat. The vast majority of energy from veggies, fruits, grains and legumes comes from carbs.
Meat, especially fatty meat raises cholesterol which I should be lowering.
Dairy also has majority calories from either sugar(lactose) or saturated fats, and is a known cause of acne.
The only good macro composition foods I can think of are nuts, but I don't know how to make tasty meals out of that. I tried to make a shake with ground roasted nuts but that felt like drinking dirt.

I would appreciate any high calorie, low carb, low cholesterol meal ideas.

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